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Helen Nadel is about to assume the presidency of an important world-wide body: The Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging

And while Helen Nadel has had a distinguished career in medicine as a pediatric radiologist and nuclear medicine physician – Winnipeg will always be near and dear to her

By BERNIE BELLAN Quite often this newspaper has published articles about former Winnipeggers who have gone on to great careers once they’ve left Winnipeg. If there’s one thing our Jewish community here has been especially proficient at doing, it’s been serving as a springboard for outstanding students to launch successful careers elsewhere.
In some ways, while we may lament that so many of our “best and brightest” have sought to further their careers by leaving Manitoba, almost all those expatriates have something in common, and that’s a deep affection for their hometown – also for the bonds that they formed growing up in Winnipeg.

A few months ago I happened to be in conversation with one of our out-of-town readers: Diane Unrode-Ackley. Diane mentioned that a good friend of hers, Helen Nadel, had recently been elected to serve as the upcoming president of a rarified body: The Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging.
Now, I should also explain that Helen has been an online subscriber to this paper for many years but, like many other online subscribers, I really didn’t have a clue where Helen lived – or what Helen’s background was.
I told Diane that I would definitely want to interview Helen to ask her about her career and what led up to her assuming the presidency of such an important body. But, as you might expect, Helen Nadel is one very busy woman. Try as we might to find a time that would work for both of us to conduct an in-depth interview, it wasn’t until earlier this past month that we were able to speak – face to face so to speak, via Zoom.

What follows are excerpts from that interview, but first here is Helen Nadel’s bio as given on the Stanford University School of Medicine website:
“Dr. Nadel is a dual board -certified Pediatric Radiologist and Nuclear Medicine Physician in both the USA and Canada. She holds certifications from the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada in Diagnostic Radiology and Nuclear Medicine, The American Board of Radiology (ABR) with certificate of added qualification in Pediatric Radiology and the American Board of Nuclear Medicine (ABNM). Dr. Nadel was an Associate Professor of Radiology at University of British Columbia and had been practicing as a pediatric radiologist and pediatric nuclear medicine physician at British Columbia Children’s Hospital in Vancouver, British Columbia since 1983 after medical school at University of Manitoba (1977, Winnipeg, Manitoba), internship and residency at University of Toronto (1978-1982) and Pediatric Radiology fellowship (Chief Fellow) at Hospital for Sick Children (1982-1983, Toronto, Ont.) She has been working with the entire breadth of general and hybrid nuclear medicine studies in children in a fully integrated department of Pediatric Radiology and lecturing to promote this field for her entire career. Dr. Nadel currently uses PET/MRI exclusively for PET imaging at Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital at Stanford University (LPCH) and co-directs the clinical PET/MRI program at LPCH. Dr. Nadel has been inducted as a Fellow of the Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging (FSNMMI). Dr. Nadel is the 2022-2023 President-Elect of the Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging.”

And here is the interview:
JP&N: ¨Nice to meet you – finally.”
Nadel: “You too.

JP&N: “We actually met seven years ago at the Jewish Schools Reunion. You’ve had a very illustrious career – and worn many hats, but tell me something about your growing up in Winnipeg.”
Nadel: “I’m a north ender – an only child. My mother came to Winnipeg in 1921 – she was born near Kiev.
“My father came after the war. He had had a military career in the Polish Army. He was captured by the Russians in 1939 and sent to the Gulag. Then when he was repatriated he walked back over the Ural mountains to then fight in the free Polish division of the Russian army.”

JP&N: “Wow!” (Ed. note: That would have been over 2,000 kilometres! At this point I’m including a later part of the interview in which Helen elaborated upon what happened to her father.)

JP&N: “Did you say he had to walk from the Gulag?”
Nadel: “Yes, he walked. It took him two years. He lived in the Ural Mountains, he lived in Uzbekistan.”

JP&N: ¨I just wrote about a book by another doctor – Meyer Kreger. It was the memoir of his mother, Rose. She was also from Poland and survived the war after being sent to Siberia, then Uzbekistan, then Kazakhstan. The stories of how some people were able to survive when others couldn’t endure are endlessly fascinating.”
Nadel: “You know Francie Winograd, don’t you? My father was in the same DP camp as Francie’s mother (Gertrude) after the war. It was near Munich.
“When my father came to Winnipeg, he met the Grosh family – and they had a sister-in-law who was in her thirties and not married. She was introduced to my father and as they say, the rest is history.” (I had to tell Helen that Gerry Posner uses that line in every story he writes.)
“They were married in 1949 and I was born in ’52.”

“I went to Peretz School in Winnipeg and then to Jefferson and Garden City Collegiate. I graduated and did undergrad and med school in Winnipeg. After that‚ I went to a Toronto to do my specialty training in radiology. I’m a radiologist‚ and I have two specialties – actually. three specialties. I’m a radiologist‚ but I sub specialize in pediatric radiology, and I also have a secondary qualification in nuclear medicine, both of which are diagnostic tools.
“One uses what you would think of as conventional X rays and now, ultrasound. MRI is general radiology. Nuclear medicine uses a small amount of radioactive material to also look at how the body works, how it functions. The new thing about nuclear medicine – it’s not so new really, is we can also use it for therapy. So, if you’ve heard of people having thyroid disease, sometimes we give them radioactivity to treat thyroid cancer.
“And now, the big thing‚ of course‚ is we can treat prostate cancer in men; we can treat other cancers as well. But the new kid on the block is treating prostate cancer with radioactive material. We’ve had very good success. But I’m a pediatric person‚ so that’s not actually my purview at the moment.
“But part of the reason I think Diane wanted you to talk to me is I’m about to become the President of the Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging.”

JP&N: ¨You haven’t assumed the throne yet, have you?”
Nadel: “My presidential year starts in June of this year. But I’ve been in the leadership (of the Society) for three years. I was elected in June 2021.”

JP&N: ¨You’re going to become head of a worldwide organization – right, or is it just American?”
Nadel: “It’s a worldwide organization, based in the US‚ but it is global. We are the largest organization (in the field of nuclear medicine). We have a membership that includes physicians‚ technologists‚ scientists and industry. And it has about 14,000 (members). There are some other organizations (in the field). There are regional – sort of country-based organizations. There are continental-based organizations – like the European Association of Nuclear Medicine – but we’re much bigger.”

JP&N: “You said your specialty is pediatric radiology. Is that right?”
Helen: “Yes‚ ¨I’m a pediatric radiologist.”

JP&N: “So, up to what age would you be treating patients?”
Nadel: Well‚ that’s a good question – usually to age 18. However‚ here at Stanford‚ we have a lot of children that have had diseases as infants‚ and we keep seeing them as they become adults. We still see them. So, it’s a movable barrier. But usually pediatrics is to 18.”

JP&N: ¨I assume you know Ted Lyons.”
Nadel: “I do. Ted was instrumental in bringing ultrasound to Winnipeg and to Canada and as such he came to teach us in our radiology training program at the University of Toronto.”
(At that moment Helen’s phone rang and she had to take a short call. When Helen resumed our Zoom call I noticed a male figure had wandered into the background.)

JP&N: “Who’s that wandering into the background now? Is that your husband?”
Nadel: “Yes, that’s my husband.”

JP&N: “What’s your husband’s name?”
Nadel: “Tevy Goodman. ‘Tevy, say hi to Bernie Bellan‚ the editor of the Jewish Post.’ ”

JP&N: “Are you in Palo Alto? Is that where I’m reaching you now?”
Nadel: “We’re in Palo Alto. We’re in the heart of Silicon Valley. I came to Stanford five years ago. I was recruited here. Actually‚ I was sort of retiring from my job. I had been 35 years at Children’s Hospital – at British Columbia Children’s Hospital in Vancouver – as a pediatric radiologist and the head of their pediatric nuclear medicine department, and I was going to sort of retire – slow down, at least.
“But there was a new hospital at Stanford – a new children’s hospital. I have a lot of friends in the community all over and one of them here convinced me that I should at least look at this job. And you know what it was? It was an opportunity that not many people would get. And, so, instead of retiring‚ I decided to come here – and I’m moving – going ‘uphill’ to go ‘downhill’.”

JP&N: Are most of your duties teaching or clinical? How does it break down?”
Nadel: “I am a clinical physician. I’m in charge of a new division – brand new at this hospital‚ which is called Pediatric Nuclear Medicine. I am also a full service pediatric radiologist. And so I have two hats – two big hats.
“We have some unique equipment here that not many places in the world have – and I’m kind of a leader. I don’t want to blow my own horn‚ but I’m a leader in a field called PET/MRI (Positron Emission Tomography/Magnetic Resonance Imaging).
“Winnipeg has a PET/CT scanner. There are two in Vancouver. There are two down the street from here, where I live. So‚ you know‚ it’s just a different world, it’s a different focus‚ a different way of doing things. I’ve been very fortunate that I’ve been able to use these exceptional tools for over 20 years now in my practice, both in Canada and the US. And pediatric lags behind adults in this area – just because we’re smaller. You know, there are fewer kids, but 25% of the world population is pediatric. It will increase as the Boomers get older and die off . Some Third World countries have mostly young people, so it will take a while to build up another Boomer type age group once we’re out of the picture. And disease will get younger in the medical field.”

JP&N: ¨ There are all sorts of scary news reports about cancer, saying it’s increasing – depending on who you talk to. Yesterday‚ I think I saw in Time Magazine, that 50% of people will have cancer in their lifetimes. Someone else told me‚ 70% – but she’s really into conspiracy theories. Can you give a more specific figure or is it hard to do that?”
Nadel: “I don’t have an answer to that. But there are some reports that suggest that the ages at which some people are getting certain diseases are getting younger. There was a big report this week on colon cancer – saying people are getting it younger. It’s being picked up at younger ages. I think that’s in part due to the fact that we have better techniques to pick these diseases up. We are taking more interest in preventative health‚ and that’s okay.
“One of the things that attracted me to Stanford was the physician who recruited me. His name was Sam Gambhir. He was an absolute giant in the field. Unfortunately, he died two years ago of cancer – a very horrible story. You could look him up. He was brilliant. But he basically was on track and his lab -which is still here‚ was on track to promote precision health and preventative health. And precision medicine includes wearable technology, you know.
“One of the last things he wrote about – a great article‚ was about the ‘smart toilet’ And it exists, basically. Your toilet can determine if you have disease by your feces. But nobody knows that’s the case. There’s so much going on in the world. I mean‚ this is beyond me‚ but I’m just saying that there’s a lot of stuff going on.
“So, the statistics are enabling us to pick up more diseases‚ and we’re picking it up earlier. We’re finding ways to treat it. But, have we moved the dial? I’m not sure yet. We don’t know yet. We don’t have enough information yet to determine if we’ve moved the dial in the right direction. I think we will, but I think it’s going to take a little longer to actually prove that.

JP&N: “Okay‚ I want to talk about your new position, but I also want to put a little bit of a ‘haimish’ touch to this. You said you left Winnipeg – when?. Were you in your twenties?”
Nadel: I left Winnipeg after I graduated from med school. I was 24.”

JP&N: “And you went to Toronto for postgraduate?”
Nadel: “Basically, you have to do a year of postgraduate training to get a medical license. I actually did what was called in those days a rotating internship. So I did twelve months of a bunch of everything – all different parts of medicine. I actually thought I would become a family physician and come back to Winnipeg. Then I met my husband. We actually met in Winnipeg. He’s from Vancouver‚ but we met in Winnipeg‚ and he followed me to Toronto. He didn’t want to come back to Winnipeg – put it that way.”

JP&N: “Sounds familiar.”
Nadel: “We thought we would end up in Toronto. And, after 14 years of postgraduate education – which included all my radiology training…I also did specialty training; after a year of internship; after four years of radiology residency and a one year pediatric radiology fellowship – I didn’t have a job! I needed a job. And I got offered to do much like what I’m doing here: start up a new program at a brand new hospital in Vancouver – British Columbia Children’s Hospital. I was 30 years old.
¨And my husband being from Vancouver‚ that seemed like a reasonable thing to do for what we thought would be five years. We ended up having two daughters in those first five years – and we never left.”

Helen & her husband Tevy Goodman with their daughters, Daniella (left), & Frani

JP&N: “Can I ask: What did your husband do?”
Nadel: “My husband is a retired professional engineer – a civil engineer and, in an interesting twist‚ he helped build some of the nuclear generating stations in Ontario. He worked in construction development and then in power group development. He worked for Ontario Hydro for all the years that we were in Ontario. And then he basically retired.”
“He took care of me and the kids and it just worked out that way. Coming back to Vancouver turned out to be a good thing and a bad thing when we came back. We came for my job because I did not have another job, and it looked like he would get a similar job in civil engineering, but that had dried up in the 80s (when nuclear plants stopped being built).
“And, our first child was premature But, you know what? The decision to have one parent at home was the right decision. And so it was him. I was young; he was a great father. He is a great father. So he was a forerunner then. And he was not Mr. Mom. He was everything. He is everything still. I couldn’t have done anything I did – and still do if I didn’t have that kind of support.”

JP&N: “So, as far as your Winnipeg roots go‚ I know that you’re friends with Diane Unrode-Ackley. Do you still have many friends from that time?”
Nadel: “Well Diane is like a sister me. I really had a close circle of three. Mindy (Unrode, Diane’s younger sister, who sadly died in 1986) was my best friend. We met when we were seven or eight years old. We were friends forever. She moved to Toronto as well after she got divorced.
“My second close friend was Cheryl Schwartz, who’s now (Dr.) Cheryl Minuk – also in Toronto.

Helen with 2 of her closest friends from an early age: next to Helen – Cheyrl (Schwartz) Minuk and the late Robyn (Moglove) Diamond

JP&N: “She’s a subscriber, too. I talk to her occasionally.”
Nadel: And my other close friend was (Madame Justice) Robyn (Moglove) Diamond (who also passed away – in 2018). The four of us (Helen, Mindy, Cheryl, and Robyn) were best friends.

JP&N: “What street did you grow up on?”
Nadel: “I grew up on Scotia Street‚ between Smithfield and McAdam. My cousins are the Grosh family. I should mention that my family were also long time shul goers at Rosh Pina.”

JP&N: I just heard from Joel (Grosh). His mother (Tesse) just passed and we had her obituary in the paper. This is really a little Jewish geography we’re doing.”
Nadel: “Totally. So, Tesse’s husband, Abe, and I were first cousins. Our mothers were sisters‚ but I’m almost the same age as Joel; he’s one year older than me. So, even though I’m one generation older than him we grew up together. We grew up in a compound almost. Joel’s family lived next door to us until they built their really nice house on Smithfield. His grandparents lived next door to him – half a block away
“What happened is two brothers – named Grosh, married two sisters my aunts – whose name was Chmelnitsky – and they lived across the street from each other. In a real twist of fate, someone else you know, Osher (Archie) Kraut, is also my cousin.
“They’re cousins on my father’s side – which is how my father came to Winnipeg after the war. Archie’s parents actually brought him to Winnipeg. He was only planning to pass through Winnipeg on his way to Israel. He’d been in a DP camp for four years. He had had typhus; he wasn’t that well. And then he came to Winnipeg. He wasn’t even 40.”

JP&N: “By the way, we’re only a year apart in age. Well, let’s turn to the position you’re about to assume. What will be your actual title?”
Nadel: “I’ll be President of the Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging. When you’re first elected‚ you are vice-president elect‚ then you become president elect‚ then you become president, and then you become past president. What happens is you’re part of the leadership, basically. So, as president elect you travel together with the president. You deal with all of the sort of day to day problems that such an organization might have. We deal with the US federal government, for the most part. We deal with international governments related to the supply of radiopharmaceuticals that we use in our medical careers. And we also have international organizations. We deal with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which I’ve been involved with for 20 years as well, on a consultancy basis.
“How did I get to where I am in this organization? Well‚ as a pediatric radiologist and nuclear medicine physician‚ I was always interested in promoting the interests of children. They’re different than adults. There’s a saying that children are not small adults, and that’s true. And so, in some things, kids do get left behind. They don’t get some of the drugs. They don’t get some of the treatments that are available, some of the diagnostic things that you could do, some things you don’t want to do, etc.
“But it’s important to promote pediatrics. I’ve been a strong proponent of educating people about my field, my particular area of interest. I met people along the way who were interested in how I do things. I was interested in the organization that I belong to. I’m promoting the fact that there are new techniques that we can utilize. I’ve just been vocal. I teach, I give a lot of lectures, I’m not shy. Well‚ I guess you could say I’m an ‘introverted extrovert.’
“I got known in my field as a speaker, somebody who was interesting. I worked as a solo practitioner in my area – in Vancouver, even here (at Stanford). It’s usually never more than one person that does pediatric nuclear medicine in any hospital department.
“I suppose the reason I got to where I got was I volunteered to get involved in different parts of the organization, but I wasn’t aspiring to do this (become president of the nuclear medicine association). But again, much like coming to Stanford, somebody asked if I would consider doing it. My reaction was, given that I was new at Stanford and that I’m trying to grow a brand new program, (the administrators at Stanford) would say, ‘Are you crazy? We’re not giving you that time.’
“But, instead, they were delighted. But when you say you’re willing to put your name forward for election, you actually have to run an election. I ran an election. I sent out 10,000 emails.”

JP&N: “Were there other candidates running?”
Nadel: “There was another candidate that ran, but I won the election in June 2021. I’m going to be the seventy-first president of this organization. I’ll also be the fifth woman, the fifth pediatric person, and the third Canadian.”

JP&N: “Are you an American citizen now, too (in addition to being a Canadian citizen?”
Nadel: “No, no, I am a Canadian citizen. I do have a green card. My husband and I both have green cards, but we’ll always be Canadian.”

JP&N: “Okay, Helen, this has been terrific. It was very nice meeting you – finally. This was a long time in coming. It was hard to pin you down, but I’m glad we did this.
Nadel: “Okay, I hate talking about myself, but thanks for this. It was great.”

Following our interview I asked Helen to provide some information about her two daughters. Here’s what she wrote:
“My husband and I have two daughters. Frani is a cantor, having graduated from the Jewish Theological Seminary of America in NYC as a cantor in the Conservative movement. She is currently completing a fellowship in Vancouver to be a chaplain. She has Master Degrees in Sacred Music and Jewish Education and also teaches in the Jewish education system in Vancouver.
“Daniella has a Masters Degree in Early Childhood Special Education from Hunter College in NYC. She is currently teaching kindergarten in a charter school in Brooklyn, also completing a second Masters degree in Speech Therapy.”
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A Left-wing Yiddishist in Western Canada

haim Zhitlovsky

By HENRY SREBRNIK I recently presented a paper on Khaim Zhitlovsky, a major proponent of secular Jewish diaspora nationalism and Jewish nationhood, at the Association for Canadian Jewish Studies annual conference at York University in Toronto.

Zhitlovsky was born in Ushachi near Vitebsk in what is now Belarus in 1865. A leading architect of secular Jewish culture and thought, he was a central figure in the progressive Jewish intelligentsia of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century in Canada and the United States.

At a Jewish International Cultural Conference organized in Paris in September 1937, the Alveltlekher Yiddisher Kultur Farband (YKUF) was founded, and he was one of the supporters. As the honorary president of the YKUF in the United States, Zhitlovsky became an icon of the Yiddishist Communist movement, particularly in western Canada, where he had inspired the founding of a strong secular Yiddish school system. At the fifth Canadian Labour Zionist conference, held in Montreal in 1910, Zhitlovsky had made a plea for Yiddish schools, saying, “If you reject Yiddish, the Jewish proletariat will reject you.” 

During the Second World War, the Communist-dominated YKUF became the most important ideological vehicle for the pro-Soviet Jewish movement in Canada. It included Winnipeg activists such as Dr. Benjamin A. Victor, who had come to Canada in 1912 as a child, from the small town of Zhlobin in Belarus, and grew up in Winnipeg’s North End. He and others devoted their political energies to YKUF work and by early 1941 there were three YKUF reading circles in Winnipeg. 

Much of this activity was also due to the arrival in Winnipeg of the new principal of the Communist-organized Sholem Aleichem School (formerly the Liberty Temple School), Labl Basman. Victor addressed meetings, speaking about the works of Zhitlovsky and Zishe Weinper, both prominent New York-based Yiddishists and YKUF leaders. 

“Dr. B.A.Victor must be counted as being one of the most important workers in the progressive Jewish cultural movement in Winnipeg, and in particular the YKUF,” wrote Basman in the Kanader Yidishe Vochenblat, the weekly newspaper of the Canadian Jewish Communists, in the spring of 1942. “Dr. Victor has always stood in the forefront of every cultural-social movement that has been progressive and in the interests of the masses.”

Winnipeg, which Zhitlovsky visited frequently over the years, was, in the words of Jack Switzer, “a Zhitlovsky fortress.” Zhitlovsky’s 75th birthday in the autumn of 1941 had been celebrated by the organization in all of its branches across the country. When he again visited Canada in April 1942, a new YKUF men’s club was named in his honour in Winnipeg.  Montreal poet Sholem Shtern, in one laudatory profile, depicted Zhitlovsky’s struggle on behalf of Yiddish language and culture, against assimilationists on both left and right, and against Zionist Hebraists. “In Yiddish Zhitlovsky sees that great progressive strength which will enable it to bring into being a new era in Jewish life.” 

So Zhitlovsky’s sudden death on May 6, 1943, in Calgary, while he was on a cross-Canada lecture tour, “hit us like a thunderbolt” and “brought about sadness throughout the country,” declared the Vochenblat.

Labl Basman reported on Zhitlovsky’s last trip to Winnipeg. His two lectures had been attended by some 1,300 people, and, Basman observed, “provided the progressive Jewish community with a clear and outstanding analysis of these catastrophic times.” Zhitlovsky had stressed that support for the Soviet Union was imperative; the USSR needed to emerge from the war strengthened and with a prominent role in any post-war settlement. The Soviet Union was the centre of world progress and Jews would benefit greatly from a strong USSR, since this would mean the end of anti-Semitism and the solution of the Jewish question.

Louis Pearlman of Calgary, who was cultural chair of that city’s Peretz Shule, described Zhitlovsky’s visit to the city where he would pass away, in the Vochenblat. Zhitlovsky arrived in Calgary from Winnipeg on April 28, in good spirits, and was scheduled to give six lectures over a two-week period.  About 100 people turned out for his first lecture on April 30, in the Peretz Shule, on “Socialism and Religion.” 

He spoke again May 2, to 150 people, on “The Spiritual Battle of the Jewish People for its Survival.” His third lecture, on May 4, dealt with Judaism and Christianity and was also well received. But a day later he had a heart attack and was taken to a hospital; he died on May 6. Pearlman accompanied Zhitlovsky’s body back to New York and attended his funeral there.

The Vochenblat reprinted Zhitlovsky’s greetings to Birobidzhan, the Jewish Autonomous Region in the Soviet far east, on its 15th anniversary, which he had released on April 25. “Our Jewish people now has two countries in which a new Jewish life is being built, a normal life” one where Jews will live in Jewish towns and Jewish cities, “just like all the other peoples on earth,” he wrote. “The two countries are Birobidzhan and Erets Yisroel.” They ought not to be seen as antagonistic alternatives, he declared. In both, Jewish life would become “normalized” and Jews would flourish. 

“Every Jewish accomplishment in both countries gives us courage in the struggle for our survival, elevates the prestige of our people in the eyes of the non-Jewish world, and strengthens our desire for the complete national liberation of our people, with the complete rights and strengths of membership in the fraternal family of nations. May the Jewish nation of Birobidzhan have long life and mature in freedom!” 

Of course we now know the Birobidzhan project was a dismal failure, nor was the Soviet Union the “promised land” dreamt of by the Jewish left. Perhaps an entry in the third volume of the Leksikon Fun Der Nayer Yidisher Literatur, published in 1960 by the Congress of Jewish Culture, sums Zhitlovsky up best:

“A man who adopted, abandoned, or lost interest in so many different political programs and causes; who joined, left, or drifted away from so many parties was probably destined, at least in the short run, to oblivion. At varying times, he was a sharp opponent of Zionism and a Zionist, an anti-territorialist and a territorialist, a supporter of the Jewish Labour Bund and one of its harshest critics, a Socialist Revolutionary and an apologist for Bolshevism. He was a kind of ideological nomad, forever on the move” — and so now virtually forgotten.

Henry Srebrnik is a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Prince Edward Island.

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How to Get and Compare Vehicle Shipping Quotes for State-to-State Car Transport

Every year, millions of Americans ship their vehicles across state lines, whether relocating for a new career, purchasing a dream car online, or escaping to a warmer climate for the winter. Navigating the logistics of moving a vehicle can initially feel like a complex puzzle. With dozens of carriers on the market and widely varying pricing structures, knowing how to secure and evaluate accurate vehicle shipping quotes is essential for a stress-free experience.

This guide breaks down exactly what factors influence the cost of interstate auto transport. You will learn how to evaluate your options effectively, understand the critical differences between transport methods, and identify what to watch out for when selecting a carrier. By following these insights, you can ensure your vehicle reaches its destination safely and without overpaying.

What Is Vehicle Shipping and When Do You Need It?

Vehicle shipping is a specialized logistics service where a licensed auto carrier transports your car, truck, or SUV from one location to another over long distances. Instead of driving the vehicle yourself, accumulating mileage, and spending days on the road, a transport company loads your vehicle onto a specialized trailer for delivery.

There are several common scenarios where professional auto transport makes sense:

  • Corporate or Personal Relocation: Moving across the country requires coordinating moving trucks, flights, and housing. Shipping your car eliminates the cross-country drive entirely.
  • Online Vehicle Purchases: If you buy a vehicle from an out-of-state dealership or private seller, auto transport provides a safe way to bring it home.
  • Snowbirds and Seasonal Travel: Many retirees split their year between warmer and cooler states. Shipping a car twice a year is standard practice to avoid long, taxing drives.
  • Military Permanent Change of Station (PCS): Active-duty military personnel frequently relocate on short timelines. Professional auto shipping ensures the vehicle arrives at the new base promptly.
  • Classic or Collector Car Acquisitions: Buyers of rare vehicles at auctions often need enclosed transport to move their purchase without adding road miles.

Types of Car Transport: Shipping vs. Towing

Before requesting estimates, it is important to understand the different transport methods available. The industry primarily divides into standard auto shipping using large multi-car carriers and towing services, which use smaller specialized trucks for specific situations.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of the three main options:

CostLowestHighestMid-range
Vehicle ProtectionBasic (road exposure)Maximum (fully covered)Depends on rig type
Best ForStandard commuter vehiclesLuxury, classic, exotic carsNon-running or damaged vehicles
Typical Delivery TimeStandard (5–14 days)Standard / flexibleFaster for short routes
AvailabilityHigh nationwide coverageLimited specialty carriersHigh broad availability
Average Cost (coast-to-coast)$1,000–$1,500$1,800–$3,000Varies by distance

Open Carrier Transport

This is the industry standard and accounts for the vast majority of all shipments. Your vehicle is loaded onto an open-air multi-car trailer, similar to those used by dealerships to receive new inventory. It is highly cost-effective and readily available, making it the default choice for standard commuter vehicles.

Enclosed Carrier Transport

If you own a classic, luxury, or heavily modified vehicle, enclosed transport offers superior protection. The trailer is fully covered, shielding the vehicle from road debris, UV exposure, dust, and harsh weather. Insurance coverage limits are also typically higher with enclosed carriers, an important consideration for high-value vehicles.

Interstate Towing

Towing typically involves a flatbed tow truck or a single-vehicle hauler. This method is frequently used for non-running vehicles, accident recoveries, or short-distance moves across a nearby state border where booking a full multi-car carrier is unnecessary. Costs are more variable and depend heavily on distance and the type of tow rig required.

What Affects Vehicle Shipping Quotes?

Transport pricing is not a flat rate it fluctuates based on supply, demand, and specific logistical details. When you review estimates from various providers, the numbers will vary based on several key factors. Understanding these variables helps you evaluate quotes accurately and avoid being misled by artificially low bids.

Industry Insight: Open carrier cross-country transport typically ranges from $1,000 to $1,500. Enclosed carrier service for the same route costs approximately $1,800 to $3,000. These figures serve as a baseline for evaluating whether a quote is realistic.

Here is a breakdown of the variables that most significantly impact your final price:

DistanceShort hauls under 500 milesTranscontinental routes (2,000+ miles)
Vehicle Size & WeightStandard sedan or compact carFull-size SUV, pickup truck, van
Transport TypeOpen carrierEnclosed carrier
Delivery TimelineFlexible window (7–14 days)Expedited (1–3 days)
SeasonalityFall and winter (lower demand)Summer and early spring (peak season)
Pickup/Drop-off MethodTerminal-to-terminalDoor-to-door service
Vehicle OperabilityRunning and driveableNon-running (requires winch/special rig)
Route PopularityHigh-traffic corridors (CA–FL, NY–TX)Rural or remote destinations

Larger vehicles, such as full-size SUVs and pickup trucks, occupy more physical space on the trailer and add considerable weight. Carriers must carefully balance loads across trailer axles to comply with federal weight regulations, which is why heavier vehicles consistently attract a higher shipping fee. Non-running vehicles require special handling equipment and add time at pickup, which is also reflected in the price.

How to Get Accurate Vehicle Shipping Quotes

Obtaining reliable estimates requires more than submitting a basic inquiry. The more precise the information you provide upfront, the more accurate your quotes will be and the fewer unpleasant surprises you will encounter at pickup.

Follow this step-by-step process to get comparable, apples-to-apples estimates:

  1. Gather your vehicle specifications: year, make, model, trim level, and whether the car runs and drives under its own power.
  2. Determine your ideal timeline: your earliest available pickup date and your required delivery window.
  3. Decide on transport type: open or enclosed, based on your vehicle’s value, condition, and your budget.
  4. Request multiple estimates: contact at least three to five providers to establish the current market rate for your specific route and vehicle.
  5. Compare total cost, not just the base rate: ask whether the quote includes insurance coverage, fuel surcharges, and any accessorial fees.
  6. Verify credentials before booking: confirm the provider’s MC number and USDOT registration through the FMCSA database.

To streamline this process and ensure you are evaluating vetted, licensed companies side by side, you can gather and compare vehicle shipping quotes in one centralized place rather than tracking down individual providers manually.

Broker vs. Direct Carrier: Know the Difference

One of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of the auto transport industry is the difference between a broker and a direct carrier.

  • Auto Transport Broker: An intermediary who connects customers with a network of independent owner-operators and carriers. Brokers offer wider availability and competitive pricing through volume, but you may deal with a third party throughout the process.
  • Direct Carrier: A company that owns its trucks and employs its drivers directly. Communication is streamlined, and there is a single point of contact from pickup to delivery.

Neither model is inherently superior. Brokers often have better availability on difficult routes; direct carriers can offer more consistency on popular corridors. Always ask which model the company uses before committing.

State-to-State Car Towing: What You Need to Know

While standard shipping is ideal for long-distance moves, specialized towing is sometimes the more practical choice. If your vehicle has suffered a mechanical failure, sustained collision damage, or you need to move it a short distance across a nearby state border, flatbed towing provides a faster solution.

When arranging state to state car towing, there are specific legal and logistical requirements to keep in mind. Tow trucks crossing state lines are considered interstate commercial vehicles and must comply with Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) regulations, including maintaining a valid USDOT number, adhering to Hours of Service (HOS) rules under 49 CFR 395, and carrying appropriate federal insurance.

Additionally, each state along the route enforces its own rules on trailer dimensions, brake requirements, and weight limits. For example:

  • Width limits are fairly consistent nationwide, generally capping out at around 8.5 feet.
  • Height limits typically fall between 13.5 and 14 feet, though some states differ.
  • Trailer brake requirements vary significantly: New York requires brakes on trailers at just 1,000 lbs GVWR, while Texas sets that threshold at 4,500 lbs.
  • Total vehicle-and-trailer combination length limits range from around 55 feet in stricter states to 85 feet in states like Wyoming.

If your car is inoperable, meaning it cannot steer, brake, or roll under its own power, you must explicitly disclose this to the provider before booking. The driver will need a truck equipped with a specialized winch or a tilt-bed flatbed to load the vehicle safely. Failing to disclose this detail upfront will result in delays, additional charges, or outright cancellation at the pickup location.

How Insurance Works During Auto Transport

One area that is consistently misunderstood is insurance coverage during shipping. All licensed carriers are legally required to carry cargo insurance, but the details matter significantly.

  • Carrier Liability Coverage: Every FMCSA-registered carrier must maintain a minimum level of cargo liability insurance. However, coverage limits and deductibles vary widely between companies.
  • Ask for the Certificate of Insurance (COI): Before booking, request a copy of the carrier’s COI to verify coverage limits. A reputable company will provide this without hesitation.
  • Your Personal Auto Insurance: In many cases, your existing auto insurance policy may provide supplemental coverage during transport. Check with your insurer before shipping you may already be partially covered.
  • Condition Report at Pickup: At the time of pickup, the driver and you will complete a Bill of Lading (BOL), which documents the vehicle’s pre-existing condition with written notations and sometimes photographs. This document is your primary evidence if you need to file a damage claim.
  • Enclosed Carriers Typically Carry Higher Limits: For high-value vehicles, enclosed carriers often carry $500,000 or more in cargo coverage, compared to standard open carriers that may carry $250,000 or less.

Red Flags When Choosing a Car Shipping Company

The auto transport industry is competitive, and while most companies operate with integrity, there are bad actors. Protecting your asset requires diligent research. Watch for these warning signs:

  • The ‘Too Good to Be True’ Estimate: A price dramatically lower than the market average is almost always a lowball tactic. The carrier quotes low to secure your deposit, then demands more money before releasing the vehicle.
  • No Verifiable FMCSA Registration: Every legitimate interstate carrier and broker must hold a valid MC (Motor Carrier) number and USDOT number. Verify these at the official FMCSA Safer System website before paying anything.
  • Guaranteed Exact Delivery Dates: Logistics are subject to weather, traffic, and inspection delays. Legitimate providers give a delivery window typically two to four days not a guaranteed hour.
  • Requiring Full Payment Upfront: Reputable companies typically collect a deposit at booking and the balance at delivery. Full payment in advance is a major red flag, especially for cash or wire transfers.
  • No Written Contract: Any legitimate carrier will provide a written service agreement outlining pickup dates, delivery windows, cost, and insurance details. Verbal-only agreements offer you no protection.
  • Poor or Absent Communication: If you struggle to reach a representative before booking, reaching them while your vehicle is somewhere on the highway will be even harder.

Cost-Saving Tips for Interstate Vehicle Shipping

If you are working within a budget, there are proven strategies to reduce the overall cost of moving your vehicle without sacrificing reliability.

  • Keep Flexible Pickup Dates: Offering carriers a broad pickup window of 7 to 14 days allows them to fill their trailer efficiently, and they often pass savings on to flexible customers.
  • Choose Open Transport: Unless your vehicle is exceptionally valuable or fragile, open transport is the most economical option and just as safe for standard cars.
  • Ship in the Off-Season: Demand peaks in summer (family relocations tied to the school calendar) and in January (snowbird migration). Shipping in late fall or early spring typically yields better rates.
  • Use Terminal-to-Terminal Service: Some companies allow you to drop off and pick up at regional hubs rather than requesting door-to-door service. This reduces driver time and fuel costs, which translates to a lower quote.
  • Book Early: Last-minute bookings almost always cost more. Booking two to three weeks in advance gives carriers time to plan efficient routes and can reduce your final price.
  • Compare at Least Five Quotes: The range between the cheapest and the most expensive quote for the same route can be $300–$500. Using a comparison platform saves time and ensures you see the realistic market range before committing.

Final Checklist Before You Ship

Before you hand over your keys to the driver, ensure everything is in order. Use this checklist to prepare your vehicle and protect yourself throughout the process:

  • Wash the vehicle thoroughly so you can accurately document the exterior condition.
  • Take high-resolution, date-stamped photographs of all angles, noting any existing scratches, dents, or chips.
  • Remove all personal belongings, toll transponders, parking passes, and loose items from the interior.
  • Leave the gas tank at approximately one-quarter (1/4) full enough to load and maneuver the car, while keeping weight to a minimum.
  • Ensure the battery is fully charged and tire pressure is correct, especially for non-running vehicles being transported on a flatbed.
  • Disable the vehicle’s alarm system to prevent it from activating during transport.
  • Review the Bill of Lading carefully with the driver before signing. Do not sign if the condition listed does not match what you see.
  • Keep a copy of the Bill of Lading until the vehicle is delivered and you have inspected it at the destination.

Making a Confident, Informed Decision

Shipping a vehicle across state lines does not need to be stressful. Once you understand how pricing works, what the different transport methods involve, and how to screen carriers effectively, the process becomes straightforward. The key steps are consistent: gather accurate vehicle information, collect multiple quotes from vetted providers, verify credentials through the FMCSA, and document your vehicle’s condition thoroughly before and after transport.

Whether you are moving across two states or coast to coast, taking the time to compare your options will save you money, protect your assets, and give you peace of mind throughout the journey.

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Volatility, Hit Frequency, and RTP: Why the Number Casinos Advertise Is the Least Useful One

The return to player percentage looks clean as a casino data point. It gives players a neat number, usually around 94% to 97% for many online slots, and that number feels easy to compare. A 96.5% game appears better than a 95.2% game. The problem starts when players treat RTP as a forecast for their next 50 spins or one evening.

You may find the RTP listed on slot pages on a leading online casino in Ontario, but the number only tells part of the story. Two games can share the same RTP and create different sessions: one may return small wins often, while the other may drain a balance before one bonus round changes everything.

The RTP Trap

Return to player (RTP) measures the theoretical share of total wagers a game returns across a very large number of rounds. In plain terms, a 96% RTP slot returns about $96 for every $100 wagered in the long run. That does not mean one player who deposits $100 should expect $96 back.

The trap sits in the word “theoretical.” RTP comes from the game’s math model. It works across huge samples, not personal sessions. A player can finish far above that percentage, far below it, or with nothing left after a short run of poor results.

Is it useless then? No, RTP can still help. It gives a baseline cost of play. Lower-RTP games cost more on average than higher-RTP games. Still, once a game passes a reasonable threshold, the next question matters more: how does it distribute that return?

Hit Frequency: The Number That Shapes Session Feel

Hit frequency tells you how often a game produces a winning outcome. This often misleads players because any win can count. A spin that returns $0.10 on a $1 bet may still count as a hit, even though the player lost $0.90 in real terms.

A game can feel active because symbols connect often, sounds play, and the screen keeps celebrating small returns. The balance may still fall. In many modern slots, “win” does not always mean profit on the spin.

Hit frequency answers one practical question: how much silence can you tolerate? Some players dislike long dry spells. Others accept quieter sessions because they chase bonus rounds or larger payouts.

The educational site Get Gambling Facts gives a useful distinction: RTP concerns the percentage of money returned over time, while hit frequency concerns how often a machine stops on a winning combination.

Volatility: The Risk Label Players Need More Often

Volatility, also called variance, describes how unevenly a game pays. Low-volatility games tend to return smaller amounts more often. High-volatility games hold more value in rare events: bonus rounds, premium symbols, multipliers, or jackpots.

Here is where RTP becomes less useful on its own:

  • A 96% low-volatility slot may give modest returns and longer play from the same balance.
  • A 96% high-volatility slot may burn through funds quickly unless the player hits a strong feature.
  • A progressive jackpot game may look exciting, but it often places more value on rare top prizes.

The same RTP can hide very different risk profiles. Players who ignore volatility often blame the casino or the game when the session follows its math design.

Why the Same RTP Can Feel So Different

Picture two slots with 96% RTP. Slot A pays small wins on many spins, has a modest top prize, and rarely creates dramatic balance swings. Slot B pays less often but offers a large max win and volatile bonus rounds. The advertised return matches, but the experience does not.

Slot A may suit a player who wants a slower bankroll drop and more regular feedback. Slot B suits someone who accepts sharper losses in exchange for a shot at a heavier payout.

A Better Way to Read a Slot Page

Most slot pages give players more clues than they notice. The trick is to read the details together rather than chase the highest percentage.

Start with RTP. If two games look similar, the higher number has better long-term value. Then check volatility. If the game uses terms such as high, very high, or extreme variance, lower your bet size or expect shorter sessions. Next, look at the paytable. A huge max win usually means the game saves a lot of its value for rare outcomes.

A sensible pre-play check looks like this:

  • RTP: What is the average long-term return?
  • Volatility: How rough can the session become?
  • Hit frequency: How often will the game show any wins?
  • Paytable: Where does most value sit?

To Conclude

Casinos advertise RTP because it looks objective, tidy, and easy to rank. Players should read it, but they should not give it more authority than it deserves. For long sessions, volatility may matter more than a small RTP difference. For comfort, hit frequency may explain the feel better than the payback rate.

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