Shye Klein and Joy Frenkiel hadn’t met before last week. But they share some common traits: both are dual Canadian-Israeli citizens, and both are still helping victims of trauma heal, as the world prepares to commemorate two years since Oct. 7, 2023.

Klein, 27, is a photographer who had recently moved to Israel when he decided to attend the Nova music festival, which ended up being the site of a horrific massacre from Hamas terrorists. The CJN first interviewed him about two months after Oct. 7, when Klein visited Toronto to showcase photos he had taken at Nova—both before the attack, and while he and his friends narrowly escaped the slaughter.

Frenkiel, meanwhile, has been living in Israel for nearly three decades, as a practicing social worker based in Ramat Gan. When The CJN first contacted her, shortly after Oct. 7, she was working at the morgue of the central Shura base of the Israel Defense Forces, where she was helping bereaved families identify victims’ remains. Frenkiel is still on duty, but now her work involves counselling victims of the more recent Iranian missile attacks in June.

Unlike Klein, who has told his story in some 240 cities around North America, Frenkiel is just beginning to share her tale more widely. Both meet for the first time on today’s episode of North Star, catching up with host Ellin Bessner about their deeply emotional personal journeys ahead of the solemn day of remembrance.

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Shye Klein: Both holding rifles. We’re parallel to them in the car, a car length away. We can see clearly one of the men, his hands are covered in blood. We see two bodies and the driver in the passenger seat, obviously dead. We only slow down for a split second just to comprehend what we’re seeing, and then we speed off again. We tell my cousin to drive and not to stop, to drive fast. Drive. Now that’s what he does.

Ellin Bessner: That’s the voice of Canadian-Israeli Nova Music Festival survivor Shye Klein speaking in the fall of 2023. It was barely six weeks since he’d escaped from the October 7 Hamas attack. However, there he was in late November, and I was recording him as he told his story to a group of students gathered in the campus Hillel lounge at Toronto’s York University.

His words and experiences are all the more powerful because Klein is a photographer. He’d brought a couple of cameras with him to the Nova festival. He snapped portraits all night of the vendors and the partygoers, documenting the happy vibes, even though these kinds of events were not his scene.  But after he moved to Israel from the Barrie, Ontario area just a few months earlier, on the spur of the moment, he decided to join some friends and a cousin for the true Israeli youth experience. While Klein survived, many did not. Nearly 400 people were murdered that day from the festival. He spent nearly two years receiving intense trauma counselling and trying to rebuild his career. He lost a $10,000 camera during the terrifying flight. 

He’s since made it his mission to raise awareness about the struggles of the thousands of survivors like him, and he’s become a sought-after speaker. By his estimate, he’s been to approximately 240 cities around the world so far. Klein never met social worker Joy Frankiel in all this time, even though they’ve both been on emotional journeys. She’s a Canadian from Chomedey, north of Montreal. She moved to Israel 30 years ago and works as a social worker in Ramat Gan.  After October 7, she was a frontline first responder, a social worker posted at the IDF Shura military morgue where forensic teams identified the remains, a process that took months in some cases, before the families could be informed. Here is how Joy Frankiel described it to me, when we first interviewed her in October 2023.

Joy Frankiel: There was a team that was identifying the bodies, and our role was to accompany the parents and the families as they were identifying their loved ones. What that meant was going with a police officer; we received the people, they were waiting outside. There were lots of people waiting outside those gates, Ellin. We accompanied them, and the body was brought into a special tent. Every tent was meant for one family. The police and I looked at the bodies beforehand so we could warn the family what they were about to see.

Ellin Bessner: I’m Ellin Bessner, and this is what Jewish Canada sounds like for Monday, October 6, 2025. Welcome to North Star, a podcast of The Canadian Jewish News made possible thanks to the generous support of the Ira Gluskin and Maxine Granovsky Gluskin Charitable Foundation.

Two Canadian Israelis, one who spent half her life there, and the other still a relative newcomer, both deeply changed because of their October 7 experiences.  We were privileged to meet them two years ago as guests of my podcast, in separate episodes, during the very early days after the massacre.

When we wanted to do an episode for this two-year anniversary, I reached out to each of them to see what their lives are like now. Both were conveniently visiting family in Canada during the High Holidays before their next trips, and they agreed to come on together, even though at first they weren’t sure how they might have anything in common.

Klein is a veteran sought-after speaker, while Frankiel is just starting to do talks.  Yet despite their apparent surface differences, they both discovered speaking helps them, and so does photography as a vehicle for their storytelling. It’s my honour to have Joy Frankiel and Shye Klein join us today. Why don’t we start by you introducing yourselves to each other?

Joy Frankiel: Okay. Hi, Shye, my name is Joy Frankiel, originally from Montreal. I’ve been living in Israel for the past 30 years, practising as a social worker. Since the October 7 massacre, I’ve really been working as a frontline social worker in various positions.

Shye Klein: That’s very important right now, especially in Israel. So, Kol Ha Kavod. Like Ellin mentioned, my name is Shye Klein, and I moved to Israel about four months before Nova. After attending the Nova Festival, I’ve been travelling North America to various schools and communities with different organisations and independents, speaking about my own personal experience with the students, showing them my photos I took at the Nova through a visual presentation I put together using my photos, videos, maps, images from online, and other context news articles as a way to humanize what happened to us and draw connection between people in the Diaspora and us back in Israel.

Ellin Bessner: And I think, Joy, you’re kind of doing that sort of yourself now, sharing your experiences. Let’s talk about what you’re here in Canada doing at the moment.

Joy Frankiel: Recently, I actually just came back from Huntington Beach, California. We were in a twin city signing ceremony, and there I was able to tell the story of a Ramat Gan social worker and my role in the war. Here, I’m back visiting family. I think it’s the first time since October 7 that I’ve been in Montreal. I was invited by a couple of agencies to present my story to professionals and laypeople here.

Ellin Bessner: Shye, you’re a veteran presenter, traveller. Do you know how many talks you’ve given since you got back and started doing this in October?

Shye Klein: No, but I know I’ve been to about 240 cities across the US and Canada. I was just in Norfolk, Virginia, a week and a half, two weeks ago. I spoke at Old Dominion University. I’m just mentally getting prepared for this October. I’m leaving on the 4th of October, and I’ll be in a new place almost every day of the month.

Ellin Bessner: Look, you said mentally prepare. Let’s dig into that a bit. How does speaking help you, or does it help you?

Shye Klein: Well, it’s another way to express myself and just get it out there. Much like when I talk to my therapist, you know, when I speak about what we went through, I am mostly talking about feelings, how it felt, what I thought, the overall mood, feelings in the country, you know, the effect it has on you mentally, on everything. I feel it does help me.  But speaking with these communities, with these schools, with these students, with the faculty, you know, hearing about their own personal experiences, dealing with antisemitism in their communities, and just, you know, feeling the amount of support that is present in the diaspora really helps in knowing that, you know, there are people working beside me to make a difference and to make this whole situation a little bit more… Well, tolerable is the wrong word, but that’s the best word I can find.

Ellin Bessner: And Joy, you know, put your two hats on, your own personal survival hat and then your social work hat. How does speaking help you and coming to do these presentations? And then maybe your professional hat.

Joy Frankiel: I can just explain it as I have. There’s a higher calling to do this kind of work.  And I think that it’s so important for people to hear our story and to understand the role of social workers. What we’ve gone through during the war and what we have done—it’s really, really important for people to hear and to learn about it. When I tell the story, it is therapeutic because I feel that I’m processing what I’ve gone through. I’ve experienced a lot of difficult things during the war as a social worker, and I think it’s really important for people, including professionals and laypeople, to learn about it and about what everybody in Israel has gone through.

Ellin Bessner: Now, Shye said that he’s been receiving therapy. What did the therapists or the social workers get?

Joy Frankiel: So, I’m very, very fortunate to work at the agency where I am employed. The director of our agency, her prime concern is her workers, and the mayor as well. After every intervention we’ve done, we’ve been able to get support, to process it, and to get any kind of support we need. We process it after with a peer group. If we need professional help beyond that, we’re also given that. A lot of people ask me how I got out of Shura without being traumatized, and I think it’s because of the help and support we got after that. We were able to talk about it, and we still write to each other, which I think really helps our listeners.

Ellin Bessner: Just so you know, tell us, what is Shura and what did you do?

Joy Frankiel: Okay, so Shura is an army base, and it was the morgue where everyone was brought to on the 7th of October to be identified. I worked there accompanying families in identifying their loved ones that were murdered. It was a really, really hard experience in terms of the sights and sounds—the refrigerator trucks, the smell of death, the sound of reservists hammering coffins for their friends and the soldiers. It was a very, very significant experience that could have led to a lot of post-trauma. However, I was very fortunate to be among amazing people who supported and still support the need for that support.

Ellin Bessner: Shye, did you want to say something? You’re nodding.

Shye Klein: No, I was nodding because that’s terrible—that’s something that had to be done and endured.

Joy Frankiel: You know, Shye, a lot of things we’ve endured and done—whoever thought we would have to do and experience the things we’ve gone through in the past two years? It’s unbelievable and almost sounds like something made up, but unfortunately, these are not made-up events.

Ellin Bessner: Both of you have had the occasion, I’m not sure how many times, to go to the Nova site afterward and the memorial for different reasons and circumstances. I’d like to discuss that first if we could, because you were there, Shye—when was the occasion you had to go and revisit the site, and how many times?

Shye Klein: The first time I was there, it was around December 23rd with Jake Tapper of CNN and a friend of mine, for an interview. So, all the bodies were gone, but everything else was still there. It was nuts, like the Nova exhibition, but 100 times the size and smelled worse. I’ve been back maybe 30 or 40 times, give or take, with different groups, you know, Birthright kids, volunteers, people on missions, or just a friend or by myself. I’ve gone back quite a bit.

Ellin Bessner: I know that Joy has been and has had some, some interesting coincidences and experiences I’d like her to share.

Joy Frankiel: Okay. So, I went to Nova very early on—I was already there in October.

Shye Klein: Wow.

Joy Frankiel: My memory is so different from yours because the first time I was at Nova, there was nothing there. I don’t remember the stage being there; it was just…

Shye Klein: Well, yeah, when I was there, the main stage was removed, but everything else was still there.

Joy Frankiel: Right. So for me, what I remember were just sticks in the ground to commemorate where people were. It was before their pictures were up. It was really, really at the beginning where there was just nothing, just sticks in the ground. I’ve been there, I think, three or four times as well. Two years ago, I was also on the Next of Kin Death Notification Team, and the last time I was at Nova, I saw a picture of someone that I had given their parents the notification that she was murdered at Nova. It was the first time I saw her there, and I stopped in my tracks. I really wanted to honor her and that moment. It was so sacred—that I was the one who notified her parents, and here I was seeing her at Nova. So, that was really, really difficult. I’m sure for you too, Shye, every time you go to Nova, there’s a different experience. Something else comes in. It’s like the narrative changes all the time.

Shye Klein: For me, I don’t like going there anymore. I don’t like all the construction that’s been done. I equate it to, “What if you tore down the ovens at Auschwitz and put a parking lot?” A lot of those changes, my understanding, are not the work of the government but of families who are bereaved and lost kids, trying to memorialize their kids. I totally respect that—I have no problem with that. But now, people like me going to the Nova site have to tell other visitors, “Hey, we didn’t have bunkers, we didn’t have a parking lot; the road wasn’t paved, we had no pathways, we had no shelters, we had no fog lights, we had no siren.” Now we have to educate people about what we didn’t have there because people get the wrong understanding of what the environment was like on October 7th due to those changes.

Joy Frankiel: And I guess when I went there in October, it was kind of like…

Shye Klein: It was raw.

Joy Frankiel: It was totally raw.

Shye Klein: There was nothing done. There was nothing done until like January. Besides those sticks, besides those faces—I’m fine with that. That’s okay. That doesn’t change the environment.

Joy Frankiel: That’s what really was. The sticks were where everybody was, and it was raw and unedited.

Ellin Bessner: Shye, you don’t like to go anymore?

Shye Klein: I still go, I just… I mean, I never liked going after the fact anyways. Why would I, you know, why would anybody want to visit such a site of a massacre? It’s not something anybody wants to do, I feel. But, you know, it’s sort of like… I don’t want to use the word obligation or “I have to” or anything like that, because I don’t have to do anything. But, you know, it’s important, even with whatever changes are made, to take people.

Ellin Bessner: Like CNN and Jake Tapper, because there’s a bit of hasbara.

Shye Klein: I hate that word so much. I don’t see him doing hasbara; I think it’s a nonsense word.

Ellin Bessner: Fair enough.

Shye Klein: I just call it advocacy.

Joy Frankiel: What did you call it?

Shye Klein: Advocacy. I’m advocating for people, you know, for my group.

Ellin Bessner: What is the group that you represent want?

Shye Klein: I don’t know. There are still quite a few Nova survivors. You know, there are 411 people who were killed on October 7th by Nova, and 55 kidnapped. And, you know, there are a lot of nonprofits and a lot of organizations out there that exist.

A lot of people love to talk about the Nova and fundraise using the story of Nova. Not so much when it comes to donating to help Nova survivors.  You know, there are nonprofits in Israel that Americans don’t know exist and they’re really not funded enough. They do much better work for Nova survivors than some North American organizations that people prefer to donate to. There’s one organization called Safe Heart, Lev Batuach. All they do is provide mental health care, therapy, and psychiatry to Nova survivors, period.  Nothing else. They don’t do galas. They’re not wasting their money just to make people feel good. They are spending the little money they have to help people heal. Like, they got me a therapist before I was even recognized as a victim of terror by the government. That’s what they do.   And I come to North America and people would rather donate to an influencer or whatever than to organizations like Safe Heart because they don’t know they exist. They’re so small and have so little money they can’t afford to get it out there to North America, Europe, Canada, or the US. It’s just too costly and they have a small team.

Ellin Bessner: Can I ask a question? So, you mentioned the Nova exhibition. I didn’t go to it in Toronto, but I know many, many thousands of people came. Wasn’t that money going towards the rehabilitation of survivors? That’s what I thought, that

Shye Klein: it goes to like the Nova’s programming and stuff like that. But, you know, their programs are all over the country, but a lot of it’s in the centre of the country. There are people who are, you know, all the way in Eilat who don’t want to drive to the middle of Israel or to Netanya to receive whatever they’re offering. Would you drive to Netanya from Eilat or from the Golan for a single therapy session? I wouldn’t.

Joy Frankiel: I also want to comment on that, Shye. I’m from the centre, and in the Shura group that we’re in, very often people are looking for therapists. And again, in the periphery, there are fewer therapists, there’s less of everything than in the city. That’s right.

Shye Klein: There’s less of everything for anybody who doesn’t live between Netanya and Bat Yam.

Joy Frankiel: You’re absolutely right.

Ellin Bessner: Before we change the topic, I should say I know that the Jewish National Fund and the Friends of the Jewish National Fund, for example in Canada, are fundraising specifically for this kind of rehabilitation and resilience centers in the south.

Shye Klein: Specifically for the communities in the south, though, specifically for the kibbutzim. And Sderot and Netivot, not the Nova.

Ellin Bessner: Can we talk a bit about your lives in the last two years? Personally, I want to know. You told me, Joy, let’s start with you. You did certain tasks close to the October 7th. What are your duties now? What are your duties now in the last few months? Are you still doing follow-ups with these families that you had to knock on the door, or what’s your job?

Joy Frankiel: So, first of all, for the protocol with the notification team, you go in once and you never see the family again. You’re supposed to give the notice and leave. You’re not supposed to have ongoing contact with the family. I’m not in contact with the families. The families do have their therapists and their people they can go to. However, I do have contact with one of the families, and I’ll discuss it a little later. 

Another thing that has happened since October 7th is the 12-day war with Iran. And Ramat Gan got hit three times within six days. There were 4,000 evacuees. They became refugees within their own cities. I was at the scene of every attack, again helping the home front command account for missing people and working with the evacuees.  The day of the third attack in Ramat Gan, we had evacuated over a thousand people and we had interviewed every single person before they were evacuated to hotels. We wanted to know their personal information, who was with them in the house, and if they had any medical issues that needed to be dealt with. They were successfully put into 40 hotels right away.  So, you know, following up with the victims. And I worked with all of the evacuees in the hotel. There were 350 evacuees in the hotel that I worked with. And we were with them day and night for a month. Social workers did not sleep. We’ve been working around the clock since the October 7th massacre. My work has just taken on other dimensions that it was never like before. We’re always in a war. We’re always working with crises and a new situation. It’s been very, very intense, to say the least.

Ellin Bessner: Are you doing this? You said you wanted to talk about it later, but maybe just tell us now.

Joy Frankiel: Okay, so one of the soldiers that had fallen, Ilay Bar Sadeh, he was 19 years old and he was in Golani. He was at the Zikim army base. He was killed around 8:03 in the morning, which means that from 6:30 till 8, he was fighting the terrorists. Apparently, he was considered a big hero because he was killed at 8 o’clock and not earlier.   When the terrorists were caught and later interviewed, they were asked, why didn’t you murder more people? There were more people beyond the army base. And they said, because the soldiers really tired us out. We didn’t even have any more energy.

His mother, Limor, reached out to me a couple of weeks ago. She heard about me and she asked me to accompany her to Barzilai Hospital to track Ili’s last steps in his journey, even though he was killed at the army base.   And there we were able to track what happened to the soldiers on that day, how they were brought to trauma, then pathology, and onwards.

What happened was she was welcomed by the spokesperson of the hospital, which was a big honour. One of the things I also love to do is to photograph, and she asked me to photograph everything. So, everything was filmed and photographed.

We went from triage to the trauma room to where her son was in bed Number 4. In Room 4. When she went to pathology, she wanted to meet the director of pathology. We were told, no, no, no, he’s totally burnt out, he’s dealing with post-trauma, he won’t meet with people anymore. We don’t allow him to meet with people. He’s just not well enough to do that.  

Later on, we were met by the hospital social worker who joined us. And little did we know that her son was murdered in Nova. So, here we were: two women joined by tragedy were together supporting one another. And then as we were sitting in this room, the head of pathology came into the office. He was just passing by and he started to talk about his experiences that day.   We all just held that space and were able to talk about everything that happened from our perspectives, because after the hospital pathology, they came to Shura. So it was like a full circle. And Ilay’s mother was able to get a lot of answers. She really wants closure. I don’t know if that helped her with closure, but it certainly changed the narrative.

Ellin Bessner: These encounters that are unexpected, that happened to you, and I’m sure, Shye, you get this too.  All the places you speak and then all the people that you’re involved with/ Could you think of one, maybe even recent story or encounter that helps give you hope?

Shye Klein: Well, I don’t know if it helps give me hope, but I met the cousin of Dor Avitan and Ran Shaffer, two men who I met at the NOVA in North America. When I was speaking, Ran Shaffer, his cousin, hosted me, and we didn’t know. I’m telling you about my NOVA experience and I’m showing her my photos, and she says, this is my cousin. It was really insane.

Then I met another cousin of Dor Avitan, who was the younger man I met at NOVA. He was working with his friend, Dor Malka. They were selling clothing, jewelry, bags, and stuff from Southeast Asia. After Hamas arrived, they murdered Dor and his friend, Dor Malka.  And then I think it was early this year. I was in the U.S., I think it was maybe Florida or New York, I can’t recall, but I met the cousin of Dor Avitan at their school. Meeting his cousin was really difficult.

You know, after October 7th, I found everybody who I photographed and if they were alive or dead. Of the 54 people, 52 survived. Sort of like what you do, Joy. I had to find the families and say, I’m sorry, but here’s the last photo of your son or your husband alive, smiling.

Joy Frankiel: That must have brought so much comfort to the families in spite of the horrors and the atrocities.

Shye Klein: They’re very appreciative of receiving these photos, but, you know, I wish I didn’t have to give it in the first place.

Joy Frankiel: Absolutely.

Ellin Bessner: So you both are still doing holy social work in your own ways or speaking just as President Trump and Netanyahu had their meeting and launched a 20-point plan for the end of the war, the return of the hostages, and the rebuilding of Gaza. I want to just get your take on this. Are you hopeful now his is it? Are you not? Because of the two years you’ve just spent? Some people say Israelis are broken and they have no hope as of going forward to a New Year. So I’m wondering where you find yourselves on this spectrum as a person.

Joy Frankiel: I’m always hopeful and I’m always optimistic. However, I don’t think that we have any partner with Hamas, and I don’t think that any offer that we’ll put will come through. And so, although I wish it would end the war, I don’t think that it will.

Shye Klein: First of all, I think we missed our best shot. I think our best chance was November, the first deal we had when we had 53 hostages returned. I think that was the time to make the ultimate deal, whatever you want to call it.

But I’m looking at the deal right now. First point is Gaza. A de-radicalized terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. I feel like that’s an obvious. I feel like that’s a given. I feel like that’s something that benefits Israelis and Palestinians because if there’s no threat to Israelis, then there’s no reason for them to strike terror groups in Gaza and risk the lives of civilians.

Gaza will be redeveloped if it benefits people. I feel like Israel owes it to the Gaza population to rebuild. We blew it up. And if we want to have peace and some sort of semblance of coexistence, we have to rebuild it. Otherwise, what’s going to happen? Another terrorist group will just say, hey, you guys destroyed our home, didn’t rebuild it. We’re going to kill you again for whatever else reason they can think of. We don’t need to give them reasons to try and kill us.

But I feel like if we do our best and try and humanize people, like I’m doing in North America, trying to humanize victims of the NOVA, it would help. You know, I think we should do everything we can to get back the hostages. I think we should do whatever’s asked because the hostages are the priority. If they’re willing to let these people from the NOVA, from the kibbutz, other soldiers, sit in Gaza for two years, hostage of Hamas, they would let that be you or me or your sons or your daughters, your neighbours. No matter how Zionist or pro-Israel or pro-Netanyahu you that you are, you’d be in those tunnels in the exact same two years. And during these last deals, it’s not like Hamas gives us the hostages randomly. We submit names of who we want to release, which means the government is choosing who stays for an additional year. You know, we just struck Hamas in Qatar, which was universally disliked and everybody did not approve of that. And what happens when we do that and fail to kill terrorists? The hostages pay the price. They get tortured, they get beat with electrical wires, they get forced to watch Hamas terrorists eat, they lose a meal. You know, they face the direct repercussions for every action and every stupid comment the Israeli government makes. Like when Smotrich talks about Gaza being a real estate bonanza, the hostages suffer for those words. And our soldiers kill themselves every month because they don’t receive the mental health care they need after fighting in Gaza for 700 days.

Ellin Bessner: Joy and Shye, at the beginning of our conversation, you weren’t sure you had a lot of overlap. Have you found some things that now you think are common ground with each other? And what message do you have for each other and our audience as we all mark October 7th?

Shye Klein: I was just gonna tell you to keep taking photos!

Joy Frankiel: Absolutely. I think that that’s the overlap that we have is my stories are through my photos. I see photos, I take photos, everybody laughs at me that I photograph so much. But in the end, it tells a story and I think it’s an important story that needs to be told and it’s beyond words and it’s going to stay with us forever.

Ellin Bessner: For the actual October 7th. You’re going to be in the States, right, Shye? And you’re going to be in Canada, Joy, or you’re going home?

Joy Frankiel: Well, it’s funny because they’re commemorating the October 7th this year on October 16th, which is my birthday. And I’m going to be here in Montreal for October 7th.

Ellin Bessner: And Shye, you’re going to be doing your thing. Speaking.

Shye Klein: I will be speaking at Regent University in Virginia, which is a Christian university.

Joy Frankiel: Amazing. Shye. Yashar koach.

Shye Klein: I’m very looking forward to it.

Ellin Bessner: Joy and Shye, thanks so much.

Shye Klein: Thank you, Ellin, very much.

Joy Frankiel: Thank you for having me.

Ellin Bessner: And that’s what Jewish Canada sounds like for this episode of North Star, made possible thanks to the Ira Gluskin and Maxine Granovsky Gluskin Charitable Foundation.

Shye Klein is still raising funds for his new photography project. It’s called Beyond the Supernova.  His goal is to capture the personal stories of over 2,000 fellow survivors, highlight their challenges and their resilience, and bring it to major world cities where he feels it could help combat antisemitism.

The charity he mentioned, called SafeHeart, works with NOVA survivors who were using mind-altering drugs at the time.

We put links to that, about him, and about Joy Frankiel, in our show notes. 

North Star is produced by Andrea Varsany and Zachary Judah Kauffman. Michael Fraiman is the executive producer, and Bret Higgins composed the music.  

Thanks for listening.

Show Notes

Related links

• Listen to our original interview with Joy Frenkiel from Oct. 26, 2023, and our original interview with Shye Klein from Nov. 27, 2023.
• Learn about Shye Klein’s latest project, “Beyond the Supernova”. 
• Book Joy Frenkiel to speak to your group about her experiences.
• Learn more and donate to the Israeli mental health treatment charity for Nova survivors, SafeHeart.

Credits

• Host and writer: Ellin Bessner (@ebessner)
• Production team: Zachary Kauffman (senior producer), Andrea Varsany (producer), Michael Fraiman (executive producer)
• Music: Bret Higgins

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