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My memories of Peretz Shul

By KINZEY POSEN It was a late Friday afternoon at Peretz Shul in 1964 or so. A good friend of mine at the time whose Yiddish name was Moishe said, “That’s it! I’m not coming back to school on Monday, I’m out of here!” Ok, as an 11 year old, he might have said it in a slightly different way. It was the first day of school in September and we were just about to go home. “Sure you are Moishe, I’m sure you’ll be back on Monday,” I told him.

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Kinzey’s Grade 1 Peretz School class circa 1960
(Thanks to Sandy Shefrin for helping with identifying almost everyone; comments supplied by Kinzey)
Bottom Row crosslegged, left to right: Arthur Greenspan, unidentified, Matthew Levin (a.ka. Moishe in the story)
Second Row (l-r): Paula Wolfman, Rosa Scyzgiel, Shirley Starek, Myra Miller, Faye Golubchuk, Ruthie Rosenzweig,, Honey Leah Berman, Marcie Fleisher
Third Row (l-r): Diane McKay, Lucy Baumel, Janice Goldberg, Howard Kaplan, Sandy Shefrin, Heather Wallace, Pammy Zimmer (Kinzey’s wife, Shayla Fink’s first cousin, a beautiful person (alev hasholem)
Top row (l-r): Sidney Lieber, Martin (Kinzey) Posen, Sheldon Weidman, Harvey Zahn, Harvey Koffman (my first cousin) , Sidney Shoib, Morris Glimcher, Shawn Zell, Miss (Claire) Nelko (who is now Claire Breslaw)

Come Monday, true to his word, my friend did not come back. He had entered an alternate dimension it seemed; he was finished with Peretz Shul! Unheard of! Impossible! How did he do it? Moishe’s act of sedition was a reaction to the Yiddish teacher we had been blessed with that year and he was done. All of us in the class were in awe and Moishe, no worse for wear, having left the school, went on to become a respected ambassador for Canada’s Foreign Service.
A little while back, Bernie asked me to write about Peretz Shul from a different perspective: My own, as a student. I have often wondered why this institution. for those of us who went there, lives so large in our memories. Full disclosure: My grandmother Katya Posen Z’l, nee Gurarie, was one of the founders of Peretz Shul and a lifelong member of the Muter Farein – the women’s organization that helped establish the kindergarten and supported the school.

My father, Abe Posen, attended the school as did his sister, my aunt, Goldie Zuidema Z”l. My dad often told me stories of how various teachers at Peretz used to rent one of the rooms in their house on Burrows. To put it mildly, our family was steeped in Peretzness.
My era began in 1957 when I attended nursery school and then, kindergarten. To this day, I can still smell the matches when our teacher lit the Shabbat candles on Friday and we laid out our little mats to have a nap on. Being a socialist school for the most part, you would think Shabbat would not have been part of the school experience, but I have so many great reminiscences of those two years from making little coloured paper rings several metres long, to receiving the right colour star if we behaved. I loved getting those silver and gold ones alongside my name on the wall – wonderful, warm memories.
Our principal in those early days was Chaver Herstein – an imposing man with a wonderful head of hair and a bit of a temper. We called all our teachers by either “chaver” or “chaverteh” which, in this context, translated to “comrade”. We also called them Leher or Leheren – teacher in Yiddish. Our school was located at 601 Aikins, between Inkster and Polson Avenues. How do I remember the address? Early on as soon as we could write, we always wrote the address at the top of the left corner of the sheet of paper. Now, the building is a health community centre. Once we entered Grade One, our days were separated into half day Yiddish and half day English classes.

Grade One for me – and I am sure for my classmates, was a truly seminal experience. Pushed out of the warm bosom of kindergarten, Grade One meant getting down to serious work. Reading, see Dick run, see Jane run, see Dick and Jane run, writing, singing and my own personal challenge………arithmetic. Our Yiddish teacher, Miss Nelko, was the most beautiful woman who genuinely cared about her students. We loved her and she laid the groundwork for us learning Yiddish and how to be little menches and menchettes. Many years later, Shayla and I received a call about playing a wedding for an older couple. They came over to our house one evening and as we planned the event, it occurred to me that I knew who this woman was: My beloved Miss Nelko, some 40 years later. What a reunion it was!

Our English teacher, on the other hand, had a different style of teaching that could be best described, as adversarial. I renamed her Tyrannosaurus Rex and the invisible scars are still with me. Her approach to learning arithmetic was to say the least, extremely challenging. I was one of those kids who learned math in a different way and in those days, kids such as myself fell through the cracks and we fell deeply. All I remember is after a short explanation of one plus one equals two, etc., we all had to stand up by the blackboard as T Rex wrote a problem on the board. We could not sit down unless we put our hands up and answered correctly. Guess who was often the last kid standing? Me, of course, and I eventually memorized it all so I could finally sit down.
Another time, T Rex distributed to each of us a sheet of paper for some writing project. She gave me what we called at the time “grade one” paper. It’s where the lines were printed with one bold line and two lighter lines and then another bold line. It also had big wood chips in it. I noticed that she was also giving out what we called “grade two” paper. These were all symmetrical bold lines and I wanted one. When she finished giving them out, she asked if everyone received one and me, being me, said, “I didn’t.” My six-year-old brain conveniently forgot that my desk was in the front row and I had scrunched up the grade one paper into a ball and cleverly thought she wouldn’t see it in the wood support for the desk.
As I put my hand up and told her I didn’t get one, she approached my desk in a threatening way, reached into the desk support and said, “What is this?” I was fully chastised, and T Rex bellowed, “You will only get grade one paper for the rest of the year.”
The reality was, in those days, especially in the context of a parochial school, you sometimes had people teaching who were not trained and did not have the skills to do the job. Not only that, more than a few were survivors of the Holocaust and we eventually learned that they experienced terrible horrors in the camps and ghettos.
That being said, I had several wonderful teachers, whose voices to this day still reverberate in my head and I often reflect about their ability to connect and elevate the students.

Mrs. Gold, Mrs. Brooks and Pascal Fishman were some of them. Chaver Fishman came to us from Buenos Aires and was one of our Yiddish teachers. He had a great capacity to see potential in students and encourage them. Another of our teachers, Mrs. Wallace, taught us English and her daughter was in our class for years. The family wasn’t Jewish, but Heather my classmate, spoke Yiddish like a pro. I remember one of our later Yiddish teachers, Mrs. Korman, taught us “Zol Nit Keynmol” the Warsaw Ghetto Song, and led us in a procession to St. John’s Park in the spring, while we sang that song and others.
The year at Peretz Schul was highlighted by two major events. The annual essay contest in Yiddish and English, and the graduation, which took place towards the end of June. For each of those occasions, the auditorium would be absolutely packed and very hot. As students, we often escaped outside to cool off in the lane and we could hear what was going on by the open side doors.

The cultural offerings at Peretz were in my opinion, outstanding. We were taught so many great songs, we acted in plays and we created art. Jewish holidays were celebrated with a Yiddishe taam (Yiddish flavour). Since my Hebrew name was Mordechai/Motel, I always got the part of Mordechai in the Purim play. The music component was delivered by Chaver Bronstein or Mr. Brownstone as he was known at Talmud Torah. His classes were always held in the auditorium, where he’d stand by his easel flipping the song sheets written in Yiddish and we’d follow the words as he used his pointer. Contrary to the Talmud Torah choir experience, he never gave us names or hit us. After he retired, Mrs. Udow took over and when I hoped to join the choir, she said, “Modechai, your voice is changing, perhaps another time.”
After the principal Chaver Herstein retired, Mr. Heilik who was previously at the Calgary Peretz Shul became our new principal. He was an interesting man and because of my ‘occasional’ naughty behaviour, I got to know him a little better than most students. He was an artist. His medium was oil painting and I remember, on one occasion, we were taken out of our class and brought to the auditorium. When we arrived, we saw that all four walls had been covered with his paintings. There were dozens of them. It was a full-blown exhibition of his work.
I bring this up because I became the class artist at Peretz and my teachers often ‘commissioned’ me to draw and colour huge murals in the hallway of the school. This gave me the opportunity to get out of class. Chaver Heilik would always come out of his office to check out my work. My artistry was far below his level, but he was always encouraging and interested in what I was doing.

In my day, we all graduated from Grade Seven and you had the choice of continuing in what was called Mittel Shul. These classes were held after 4 o’clock, after you finished English school. No one in my class went to Mittel Shul and we felt sorry for those who did as they arrived at four, just as we were leaving.
For me, and I’m sure others, the experience of attending Peretz Shul, wasn’t truly appreciated until after we graduated. The real world out there wasn’t as warm and friendly as it was at 601 Aikins. I do know that the school gave me the education that my Baba and other founders were hoping to achieve: an ability to speak Yiddish, a love for the language, Jewish history known as Yiddishe geshicteh and above all, an appreciation for the Jewish people and our incredibly rich journey. I also had my Peretz Shul family, the 12 or so students in my class that I spent 35 hours a week with for nine years. We all take something different away from the experience, but I can guarantee you, many of us, including my friend Moishe the ambassador, will always carry Peretz Shul memories with us for the rest of our lives.

Post script:
Ed. note: It didn’t take me too long to figure out who the “Moishe” was to whom Kinzey refers in his article. I was actually friends myself with “Moishe”, although I knew him better as Matthew Levin.
Matthew was always very independent-minded – even as a kid. That being said, he went on to an illustrious career in Canada’s diplomatic service. Among other posts he held, he was Canada’s Ambassador to Columbia, Cuba, and most recently Spain.
It was while he was Ambassador to Cuba that Matthew, along with his wife, Rosealba, played an instrumental role in helping Cuban Jews emigrate to Israel (since Israel and Cuba did not have diplomatic relations).
When I read Kinzey’s story I decided to send it to Matthew – before I outed him as the “Moishe” in the story. Matthew was pleasantly surprised to see that Kinzey mentioned him in a story and even further that he referred to him as “Moishe”.
In my email to Matthew I mentioned that the last time I had attempted to contact him was when Stephen Harper was Prime Minister and Matthew was Canada’s Ambassador to Cuba. At the time, some low level functionaries in what is known as Global Affairs Canada interceded and said that I would not be able to communicate directly with Matthew. Instead, I was told, I could submit any questions that I had to Global Affairs, they would vet them (no doubt looking for anything that might potentially embarrass the government, such as asking about Matthew’s boyhood years in Winnipeg).
So, when I reached out to Matthew – again, this time after reading Kinzey’s piece, I said that I didn’t know whether he would even receive my email since I suspected “apparatchiks” in the government would see it first – and probably attempt to prevent me from communicating with him directly – again.
I was surprised then, to receive a very warm response from Matthew – in which he explained that he is no longer under the supervision of government “apparatchiks”.
Here’s what Matthew Levin wrote to me, in part:
Wonderful to hear from you! I’m so glad you made the effort to reach out.

I finished my posting to Spain a couple of months ago and am now back in Ottawa and transitioning to retirement. So no more apparatchiks.

First of all, I hope you’re well and coping successfully with these strange times.

Your lovely message brings back all sorts of very fond memories. It’s a long time since anyone called me Moishe (often shortened to Moish back then). I never saw most of my Peretz Shul classmates after I left the school, as Kinzey recalls, at the start of Grade 5 (a long story). Kinzey was one of the very few I did see occasionally, including a few times when he was playing with Finjan. But most of the others I completely lost touch with. Now I sometimes wonder what has become of many of them. It’s really heartwarming to think that Kinzey (Martin at the time and I believe he was Mordechai in Yiddish, or maybe Mendel) remembered me as he was writing this story. Since you and I and our group of friends never called each other by our Yiddish names I’m surprised, but delighted, that you thought of me when you saw this reference to a Moishe.
Thanks so much for sending along Kinzey’s story. I’m sending you this reply before having read it, because I didn’t want to delay getting back to you, but I’ll certainly read it with great interest and undoubtedly pleasure. I really feel honoured and delighted to be included. If you’re in touch with Kinzey, please thank him and give him a big hug – virtual of course for now – from me.

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Manitoba Has No iGaming Framework. So Where Are Winnipeg Players Actually Gambling Online?

Ontario’s regulated iGaming market hit a 91.1% channelization rate in May 2026, according to an AGCO/Ipsos study. Meaning nine out of ten Ontario players who gamble online are doing so through a licensed, registered operator. That’s a real number, and it took years of regulatory architecture to get there. Manitoba has none of that architecture. Zero. There’s no provincial iGaming framework, no registered operator list, and no equivalent to the iGaming Ontario regime that launched in April 2022. So when Winnipeg players open a browser and look for somewhere to play, they’re not choosing between regulated sites. They’re choosing between offshore ones.

For players trying to make sense of that offshore market, the most practical move is to compare no verification casinos side by side. Withdrawal speeds, licensing jurisdiction, and bonus terms vary far more than most review sites admit. A Curaçao-licensed site and a Malta Gaming Authority-licensed site can look identical on the homepage and behave completely differently when you try to withdraw CAD on a Sunday night.

Why Manitoba Is Still Waiting

The short answer: political will and provincial lottery revenue protection. Manitoba Liquor & Lotteries (MBLL) runs PlayNow.com, which is the province’s only officially sanctioned online gambling platform. It’s a Crown corporation product. Expanding regulation to private operators means cannibalizing that revenue stream, and no provincial government has been willing to absorb that trade-off yet.

Alberta moved first, announcing in 2024 that it would follow Ontario’s open-market model. The Jewish Post covered the Alberta question in its opinion piece on provincial iGaming regulation. Saskatchewan and British Columbia have their own Crown-run online products. Manitoba? MBLL runs PlayNow, and that’s where the conversation stops.

The practical consequence is straightforward. PlayNow offers a limited game library, deposit methods that exclude several major e-wallets, and. Critically. A full KYC process that requires government-issued ID before a player can withdraw. For anyone who has spent time on offshore platforms, PlayNow’s withdrawal processing feels closer to a 2009 bank wire than a modern iGaming product.

What ‘No Verification’ Actually Means

The term gets used loosely, so let’s be precise. No-verification casinos. Sometimes called no-KYC casinos. Don’t require you to upload a passport or utility bill to open an account and withdraw. Most operate on a tiered model: you can deposit and withdraw up to a threshold (often around C$2,000 to C$5,000 cumulative) without identity documents. Go above that, and they’ll ask for verification at that point.

That’s meaningfully different from a blanket “no ID ever” claim, which doesn’t really exist at licensed operators. Any site claiming zero KYC under all circumstances is either very small, unlicensed, or not being straight with you about their AML obligations.

The ones worth looking at are licensed under jurisdictions that actually enforce standards. Curaçao eGaming being the most common for Canadian-facing sites, Malta Gaming Authority and Isle of Man for the better-resourced operators. Licensing matters because it determines what happens when a dispute arises. A Curaçao license at least gives you a complaints pathway. No license gives you nothing.

The Real Variables Winnipeg Players Should Check

Withdrawal speed is where most offshore sites either earn or lose the trust. I’ve tested CAD withdrawals via Interac e-Transfer on three different offshore platforms in the last six months. Two cleared within 90 minutes on a weekday. The third flagged my withdrawal for a manual review that took four business days and required a second round of document uploads. Same deposit method, very different outcomes.

Bonus terms are the other landmine. A 100% match up to C$500 sounds good until you read the wagering requirement. Anything above 35x on slots. And some no-verification sites are running 45x or 50x. Makes the bonus money functionally worthless unless you’re grinding low-volatility games for hours. The max bet cap during bonus play is equally critical. C$5 per spin on a C$500 bonus means you need 100 spins minimum just to cycle through once, and the dead spins add up fast.

Payment method availability for Canadian players specifically is worth a dedicated check. Not every offshore site offers Interac. Some push crypto as the primary withdrawal rail, which works fine if you’re comfortable converting CAD to USDT and back. But adds friction and exchange rate risk most players don’t account for. A few have added MuchBetter and eZeeWallet as alternatives, which process faster than bank transfers and don’t trigger the same scrutiny from Canadian banks that some gambling-coded transactions do.

The Legal Position for Manitoba Players

This comes up constantly, and the honest answer is that Canadian gambling law places regulatory authority under provincial jurisdiction, meaning the federal Criminal Code doesn’t prohibit individuals from playing at offshore sites. It prohibits operating an unlicensed gambling business in Canada. Players are not operators. No Canadian has been prosecuted for accessing an offshore gambling site.

That said, “not illegal” and “fully protected” are different things. If an offshore operator disappears with your funds, you have limited recourse. If a withdrawal is declined and the operator ghosts your support ticket, no provincial regulator is going to intervene on your behalf the way the AGCO can intervene for an Ontario player. You’re relying on the operator’s licensing body, which may or may not respond in a useful timeframe.

Gowling WLG’s 2025 analysis of Manitoba’s enforcement posture notes that the province has moved against offshore operators directly. Including action against Bodog. But has taken no steps toward building a regulatory framework that would bring players back onto licensed domestic ground. The enforcement is pointed at operators, not players, and it hasn’t changed what’s available to Winnipeg residents looking for alternatives to PlayNow.

Where This Lands

Manitoba’s regulatory gap isn’t closing soon. Alberta’s framework is still being built. The realistic picture for Winnipeg players in 2026 is that offshore, no-verification operators remain the de facto alternative to PlayNow. And the quality gap between a well-run licensed offshore site and a badly run one is significant enough that doing due diligence before depositing is not optional.

Check the license, read the withdrawal terms before the bonus terms, and know your method’s processing time. The market isn’t going away; it’s just not regulated to protect you yet.

Gambling involves risk. Please play responsibly and only wager what you can afford to lose. If you feel gambling is becoming a problem, visit BeGambleAware.org or call 1-800-GAMBLER.

Frequently Asked Questions

Is it legal for Manitoba players to gamble on offshore casino sites? Canadian federal law targets operators running unlicensed gambling businesses, not individual players. Manitoba residents accessing offshore sites are not violating federal law. However, there’s no provincial regulatory protection if a dispute arises. You’re relying on the operator’s licensing body, which may be slow or unresponsive.

What is the difference between PlayNow and offshore no-verification casinos? PlayNow is Manitoba’s Crown-run online gambling platform, requiring full KYC and offering a limited game library. Offshore no-verification casinos skip the document upload process up to a withdrawal threshold, typically run larger game libraries, and often process CAD withdrawals faster. But without provincial regulatory protection backing you up.

Are no-verification casinos licensed? The reputable ones are. Curaçao eGaming and the Malta Gaming Authority are the most common licensing jurisdictions for Canadian-facing no-KYC operators. Unlicensed sites exist and should be avoided entirely. No license means no complaints pathway and no enforceable player protection if a dispute arises.

Why doesn’t Manitoba have a regulated iGaming market like Ontario? Political and financial reasons. Manitoba Liquor & Lotteries earns revenue from PlayNow, its Crown-run platform. Bringing private operators into a licensed open market would cannibalize that revenue stream. No provincial government has been willing to accept that trade-off, though pressure from Alberta’s move toward an Ontario-style framework may eventually shift the calculus.

What should I check before depositing at a no-verification casino as a Canadian player? Four things: licensing jurisdiction, withdrawal speed for CAD specifically, wagering requirements on any bonus (anything above 35x is a red flag), and whether Interac e-Transfer is available as a withdrawal method. Crypto rails are faster but add exchange rate risk most players underestimate.

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A Left-wing Yiddishist in Western Canada

haim Zhitlovsky

By HENRY SREBRNIK I recently presented a paper on Khaim Zhitlovsky, a major proponent of secular Jewish diaspora nationalism and Jewish nationhood, at the Association for Canadian Jewish Studies annual conference at York University in Toronto.

Zhitlovsky was born in Ushachi near Vitebsk in what is now Belarus in 1865. A leading architect of secular Jewish culture and thought, he was a central figure in the progressive Jewish intelligentsia of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century in Canada and the United States.

At a Jewish International Cultural Conference organized in Paris in September 1937, the Alveltlekher Yiddisher Kultur Farband (YKUF) was founded, and he was one of the supporters. As the honorary president of the YKUF in the United States, Zhitlovsky became an icon of the Yiddishist Communist movement, particularly in western Canada, where he had inspired the founding of a strong secular Yiddish school system. At the fifth Canadian Labour Zionist conference, held in Montreal in 1910, Zhitlovsky had made a plea for Yiddish schools, saying, “If you reject Yiddish, the Jewish proletariat will reject you.” 

During the Second World War, the Communist-dominated YKUF became the most important ideological vehicle for the pro-Soviet Jewish movement in Canada. It included Winnipeg activists such as Dr. Benjamin A. Victor, who had come to Canada in 1912 as a child, from the small town of Zhlobin in Belarus, and grew up in Winnipeg’s North End. He and others devoted their political energies to YKUF work and by early 1941 there were three YKUF reading circles in Winnipeg. 

Much of this activity was also due to the arrival in Winnipeg of the new principal of the Communist-organized Sholem Aleichem School (formerly the Liberty Temple School), Labl Basman. Victor addressed meetings, speaking about the works of Zhitlovsky and Zishe Weinper, both prominent New York-based Yiddishists and YKUF leaders. 

“Dr. B.A.Victor must be counted as being one of the most important workers in the progressive Jewish cultural movement in Winnipeg, and in particular the YKUF,” wrote Basman in the Kanader Yidishe Vochenblat, the weekly newspaper of the Canadian Jewish Communists, in the spring of 1942. “Dr. Victor has always stood in the forefront of every cultural-social movement that has been progressive and in the interests of the masses.”

Winnipeg, which Zhitlovsky visited frequently over the years, was, in the words of Jack Switzer, “a Zhitlovsky fortress.” Zhitlovsky’s 75th birthday in the autumn of 1941 had been celebrated by the organization in all of its branches across the country. When he again visited Canada in April 1942, a new YKUF men’s club was named in his honour in Winnipeg.  Montreal poet Sholem Shtern, in one laudatory profile, depicted Zhitlovsky’s struggle on behalf of Yiddish language and culture, against assimilationists on both left and right, and against Zionist Hebraists. “In Yiddish Zhitlovsky sees that great progressive strength which will enable it to bring into being a new era in Jewish life.” 

So Zhitlovsky’s sudden death on May 6, 1943, in Calgary, while he was on a cross-Canada lecture tour, “hit us like a thunderbolt” and “brought about sadness throughout the country,” declared the Vochenblat.

Labl Basman reported on Zhitlovsky’s last trip to Winnipeg. His two lectures had been attended by some 1,300 people, and, Basman observed, “provided the progressive Jewish community with a clear and outstanding analysis of these catastrophic times.” Zhitlovsky had stressed that support for the Soviet Union was imperative; the USSR needed to emerge from the war strengthened and with a prominent role in any post-war settlement. The Soviet Union was the centre of world progress and Jews would benefit greatly from a strong USSR, since this would mean the end of anti-Semitism and the solution of the Jewish question.

Louis Pearlman of Calgary, who was cultural chair of that city’s Peretz Shule, described Zhitlovsky’s visit to the city where he would pass away, in the Vochenblat. Zhitlovsky arrived in Calgary from Winnipeg on April 28, in good spirits, and was scheduled to give six lectures over a two-week period.  About 100 people turned out for his first lecture on April 30, in the Peretz Shule, on “Socialism and Religion.” 

He spoke again May 2, to 150 people, on “The Spiritual Battle of the Jewish People for its Survival.” His third lecture, on May 4, dealt with Judaism and Christianity and was also well received. But a day later he had a heart attack and was taken to a hospital; he died on May 6. Pearlman accompanied Zhitlovsky’s body back to New York and attended his funeral there.

The Vochenblat reprinted Zhitlovsky’s greetings to Birobidzhan, the Jewish Autonomous Region in the Soviet far east, on its 15th anniversary, which he had released on April 25. “Our Jewish people now has two countries in which a new Jewish life is being built, a normal life” one where Jews will live in Jewish towns and Jewish cities, “just like all the other peoples on earth,” he wrote. “The two countries are Birobidzhan and Erets Yisroel.” They ought not to be seen as antagonistic alternatives, he declared. In both, Jewish life would become “normalized” and Jews would flourish. 

“Every Jewish accomplishment in both countries gives us courage in the struggle for our survival, elevates the prestige of our people in the eyes of the non-Jewish world, and strengthens our desire for the complete national liberation of our people, with the complete rights and strengths of membership in the fraternal family of nations. May the Jewish nation of Birobidzhan have long life and mature in freedom!” 

Of course we now know the Birobidzhan project was a dismal failure, nor was the Soviet Union the “promised land” dreamt of by the Jewish left. Perhaps an entry in the third volume of the Leksikon Fun Der Nayer Yidisher Literatur, published in 1960 by the Congress of Jewish Culture, sums Zhitlovsky up best:

“A man who adopted, abandoned, or lost interest in so many different political programs and causes; who joined, left, or drifted away from so many parties was probably destined, at least in the short run, to oblivion. At varying times, he was a sharp opponent of Zionism and a Zionist, an anti-territorialist and a territorialist, a supporter of the Jewish Labour Bund and one of its harshest critics, a Socialist Revolutionary and an apologist for Bolshevism. He was a kind of ideological nomad, forever on the move” — and so now virtually forgotten.

Henry Srebrnik is a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Prince Edward Island.

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How to Get and Compare Vehicle Shipping Quotes for State-to-State Car Transport

Every year, millions of Americans ship their vehicles across state lines, whether relocating for a new career, purchasing a dream car online, or escaping to a warmer climate for the winter. Navigating the logistics of moving a vehicle can initially feel like a complex puzzle. With dozens of carriers on the market and widely varying pricing structures, knowing how to secure and evaluate accurate vehicle shipping quotes is essential for a stress-free experience.

This guide breaks down exactly what factors influence the cost of interstate auto transport. You will learn how to evaluate your options effectively, understand the critical differences between transport methods, and identify what to watch out for when selecting a carrier. By following these insights, you can ensure your vehicle reaches its destination safely and without overpaying.

What Is Vehicle Shipping and When Do You Need It?

Vehicle shipping is a specialized logistics service where a licensed auto carrier transports your car, truck, or SUV from one location to another over long distances. Instead of driving the vehicle yourself, accumulating mileage, and spending days on the road, a transport company loads your vehicle onto a specialized trailer for delivery.

There are several common scenarios where professional auto transport makes sense:

  • Corporate or Personal Relocation: Moving across the country requires coordinating moving trucks, flights, and housing. Shipping your car eliminates the cross-country drive entirely.
  • Online Vehicle Purchases: If you buy a vehicle from an out-of-state dealership or private seller, auto transport provides a safe way to bring it home.
  • Snowbirds and Seasonal Travel: Many retirees split their year between warmer and cooler states. Shipping a car twice a year is standard practice to avoid long, taxing drives.
  • Military Permanent Change of Station (PCS): Active-duty military personnel frequently relocate on short timelines. Professional auto shipping ensures the vehicle arrives at the new base promptly.
  • Classic or Collector Car Acquisitions: Buyers of rare vehicles at auctions often need enclosed transport to move their purchase without adding road miles.

Types of Car Transport: Shipping vs. Towing

Before requesting estimates, it is important to understand the different transport methods available. The industry primarily divides into standard auto shipping using large multi-car carriers and towing services, which use smaller specialized trucks for specific situations.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of the three main options:

CostLowestHighestMid-range
Vehicle ProtectionBasic (road exposure)Maximum (fully covered)Depends on rig type
Best ForStandard commuter vehiclesLuxury, classic, exotic carsNon-running or damaged vehicles
Typical Delivery TimeStandard (5–14 days)Standard / flexibleFaster for short routes
AvailabilityHigh nationwide coverageLimited specialty carriersHigh broad availability
Average Cost (coast-to-coast)$1,000–$1,500$1,800–$3,000Varies by distance

Open Carrier Transport

This is the industry standard and accounts for the vast majority of all shipments. Your vehicle is loaded onto an open-air multi-car trailer, similar to those used by dealerships to receive new inventory. It is highly cost-effective and readily available, making it the default choice for standard commuter vehicles.

Enclosed Carrier Transport

If you own a classic, luxury, or heavily modified vehicle, enclosed transport offers superior protection. The trailer is fully covered, shielding the vehicle from road debris, UV exposure, dust, and harsh weather. Insurance coverage limits are also typically higher with enclosed carriers, an important consideration for high-value vehicles.

Interstate Towing

Towing typically involves a flatbed tow truck or a single-vehicle hauler. This method is frequently used for non-running vehicles, accident recoveries, or short-distance moves across a nearby state border where booking a full multi-car carrier is unnecessary. Costs are more variable and depend heavily on distance and the type of tow rig required.

What Affects Vehicle Shipping Quotes?

Transport pricing is not a flat rate it fluctuates based on supply, demand, and specific logistical details. When you review estimates from various providers, the numbers will vary based on several key factors. Understanding these variables helps you evaluate quotes accurately and avoid being misled by artificially low bids.

Industry Insight: Open carrier cross-country transport typically ranges from $1,000 to $1,500. Enclosed carrier service for the same route costs approximately $1,800 to $3,000. These figures serve as a baseline for evaluating whether a quote is realistic.

Here is a breakdown of the variables that most significantly impact your final price:

DistanceShort hauls under 500 milesTranscontinental routes (2,000+ miles)
Vehicle Size & WeightStandard sedan or compact carFull-size SUV, pickup truck, van
Transport TypeOpen carrierEnclosed carrier
Delivery TimelineFlexible window (7–14 days)Expedited (1–3 days)
SeasonalityFall and winter (lower demand)Summer and early spring (peak season)
Pickup/Drop-off MethodTerminal-to-terminalDoor-to-door service
Vehicle OperabilityRunning and driveableNon-running (requires winch/special rig)
Route PopularityHigh-traffic corridors (CA–FL, NY–TX)Rural or remote destinations

Larger vehicles, such as full-size SUVs and pickup trucks, occupy more physical space on the trailer and add considerable weight. Carriers must carefully balance loads across trailer axles to comply with federal weight regulations, which is why heavier vehicles consistently attract a higher shipping fee. Non-running vehicles require special handling equipment and add time at pickup, which is also reflected in the price.

How to Get Accurate Vehicle Shipping Quotes

Obtaining reliable estimates requires more than submitting a basic inquiry. The more precise the information you provide upfront, the more accurate your quotes will be and the fewer unpleasant surprises you will encounter at pickup.

Follow this step-by-step process to get comparable, apples-to-apples estimates:

  1. Gather your vehicle specifications: year, make, model, trim level, and whether the car runs and drives under its own power.
  2. Determine your ideal timeline: your earliest available pickup date and your required delivery window.
  3. Decide on transport type: open or enclosed, based on your vehicle’s value, condition, and your budget.
  4. Request multiple estimates: contact at least three to five providers to establish the current market rate for your specific route and vehicle.
  5. Compare total cost, not just the base rate: ask whether the quote includes insurance coverage, fuel surcharges, and any accessorial fees.
  6. Verify credentials before booking: confirm the provider’s MC number and USDOT registration through the FMCSA database.

To streamline this process and ensure you are evaluating vetted, licensed companies side by side, you can gather and compare vehicle shipping quotes in one centralized place rather than tracking down individual providers manually.

Broker vs. Direct Carrier: Know the Difference

One of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of the auto transport industry is the difference between a broker and a direct carrier.

  • Auto Transport Broker: An intermediary who connects customers with a network of independent owner-operators and carriers. Brokers offer wider availability and competitive pricing through volume, but you may deal with a third party throughout the process.
  • Direct Carrier: A company that owns its trucks and employs its drivers directly. Communication is streamlined, and there is a single point of contact from pickup to delivery.

Neither model is inherently superior. Brokers often have better availability on difficult routes; direct carriers can offer more consistency on popular corridors. Always ask which model the company uses before committing.

State-to-State Car Towing: What You Need to Know

While standard shipping is ideal for long-distance moves, specialized towing is sometimes the more practical choice. If your vehicle has suffered a mechanical failure, sustained collision damage, or you need to move it a short distance across a nearby state border, flatbed towing provides a faster solution.

When arranging state to state car towing, there are specific legal and logistical requirements to keep in mind. Tow trucks crossing state lines are considered interstate commercial vehicles and must comply with Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) regulations, including maintaining a valid USDOT number, adhering to Hours of Service (HOS) rules under 49 CFR 395, and carrying appropriate federal insurance.

Additionally, each state along the route enforces its own rules on trailer dimensions, brake requirements, and weight limits. For example:

  • Width limits are fairly consistent nationwide, generally capping out at around 8.5 feet.
  • Height limits typically fall between 13.5 and 14 feet, though some states differ.
  • Trailer brake requirements vary significantly: New York requires brakes on trailers at just 1,000 lbs GVWR, while Texas sets that threshold at 4,500 lbs.
  • Total vehicle-and-trailer combination length limits range from around 55 feet in stricter states to 85 feet in states like Wyoming.

If your car is inoperable, meaning it cannot steer, brake, or roll under its own power, you must explicitly disclose this to the provider before booking. The driver will need a truck equipped with a specialized winch or a tilt-bed flatbed to load the vehicle safely. Failing to disclose this detail upfront will result in delays, additional charges, or outright cancellation at the pickup location.

How Insurance Works During Auto Transport

One area that is consistently misunderstood is insurance coverage during shipping. All licensed carriers are legally required to carry cargo insurance, but the details matter significantly.

  • Carrier Liability Coverage: Every FMCSA-registered carrier must maintain a minimum level of cargo liability insurance. However, coverage limits and deductibles vary widely between companies.
  • Ask for the Certificate of Insurance (COI): Before booking, request a copy of the carrier’s COI to verify coverage limits. A reputable company will provide this without hesitation.
  • Your Personal Auto Insurance: In many cases, your existing auto insurance policy may provide supplemental coverage during transport. Check with your insurer before shipping you may already be partially covered.
  • Condition Report at Pickup: At the time of pickup, the driver and you will complete a Bill of Lading (BOL), which documents the vehicle’s pre-existing condition with written notations and sometimes photographs. This document is your primary evidence if you need to file a damage claim.
  • Enclosed Carriers Typically Carry Higher Limits: For high-value vehicles, enclosed carriers often carry $500,000 or more in cargo coverage, compared to standard open carriers that may carry $250,000 or less.

Red Flags When Choosing a Car Shipping Company

The auto transport industry is competitive, and while most companies operate with integrity, there are bad actors. Protecting your asset requires diligent research. Watch for these warning signs:

  • The ‘Too Good to Be True’ Estimate: A price dramatically lower than the market average is almost always a lowball tactic. The carrier quotes low to secure your deposit, then demands more money before releasing the vehicle.
  • No Verifiable FMCSA Registration: Every legitimate interstate carrier and broker must hold a valid MC (Motor Carrier) number and USDOT number. Verify these at the official FMCSA Safer System website before paying anything.
  • Guaranteed Exact Delivery Dates: Logistics are subject to weather, traffic, and inspection delays. Legitimate providers give a delivery window typically two to four days not a guaranteed hour.
  • Requiring Full Payment Upfront: Reputable companies typically collect a deposit at booking and the balance at delivery. Full payment in advance is a major red flag, especially for cash or wire transfers.
  • No Written Contract: Any legitimate carrier will provide a written service agreement outlining pickup dates, delivery windows, cost, and insurance details. Verbal-only agreements offer you no protection.
  • Poor or Absent Communication: If you struggle to reach a representative before booking, reaching them while your vehicle is somewhere on the highway will be even harder.

Cost-Saving Tips for Interstate Vehicle Shipping

If you are working within a budget, there are proven strategies to reduce the overall cost of moving your vehicle without sacrificing reliability.

  • Keep Flexible Pickup Dates: Offering carriers a broad pickup window of 7 to 14 days allows them to fill their trailer efficiently, and they often pass savings on to flexible customers.
  • Choose Open Transport: Unless your vehicle is exceptionally valuable or fragile, open transport is the most economical option and just as safe for standard cars.
  • Ship in the Off-Season: Demand peaks in summer (family relocations tied to the school calendar) and in January (snowbird migration). Shipping in late fall or early spring typically yields better rates.
  • Use Terminal-to-Terminal Service: Some companies allow you to drop off and pick up at regional hubs rather than requesting door-to-door service. This reduces driver time and fuel costs, which translates to a lower quote.
  • Book Early: Last-minute bookings almost always cost more. Booking two to three weeks in advance gives carriers time to plan efficient routes and can reduce your final price.
  • Compare at Least Five Quotes: The range between the cheapest and the most expensive quote for the same route can be $300–$500. Using a comparison platform saves time and ensures you see the realistic market range before committing.

Final Checklist Before You Ship

Before you hand over your keys to the driver, ensure everything is in order. Use this checklist to prepare your vehicle and protect yourself throughout the process:

  • Wash the vehicle thoroughly so you can accurately document the exterior condition.
  • Take high-resolution, date-stamped photographs of all angles, noting any existing scratches, dents, or chips.
  • Remove all personal belongings, toll transponders, parking passes, and loose items from the interior.
  • Leave the gas tank at approximately one-quarter (1/4) full enough to load and maneuver the car, while keeping weight to a minimum.
  • Ensure the battery is fully charged and tire pressure is correct, especially for non-running vehicles being transported on a flatbed.
  • Disable the vehicle’s alarm system to prevent it from activating during transport.
  • Review the Bill of Lading carefully with the driver before signing. Do not sign if the condition listed does not match what you see.
  • Keep a copy of the Bill of Lading until the vehicle is delivered and you have inspected it at the destination.

Making a Confident, Informed Decision

Shipping a vehicle across state lines does not need to be stressful. Once you understand how pricing works, what the different transport methods involve, and how to screen carriers effectively, the process becomes straightforward. The key steps are consistent: gather accurate vehicle information, collect multiple quotes from vetted providers, verify credentials through the FMCSA, and document your vehicle’s condition thoroughly before and after transport.

Whether you are moving across two states or coast to coast, taking the time to compare your options will save you money, protect your assets, and give you peace of mind throughout the journey.

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